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Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by s9w on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:17AM (#21619473)
I can't see how TikTik censors more than facebook or most other social platforms. This seems only to be a concern since it's the "other" side (Chinese in this case) doing it.

> the search for keywords controversial from the point of view of the Chinese Government [...] did not yield any or only very few fitting content

Yeah I could give you a nice list of words that results in an similar results page from Google, Youtube or Facebook.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by spectramax on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:23AM (#21619498)
Not really. Try rallying up support against Xi Jingpin on TikTok?
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by pgeorgi on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:30AM (#21619526)
Showing non-sexual images of breasts on facebook may or may not work out well: https://www.facebook.com/the.ban.on.breastfeeding/

The sensibilities are different but they exist.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by jessaustin on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:25AM (#21620261)
Is there breastfeeding on TikTok? More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook?
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by kds3 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:26AM (#21620604)
> More generally, is there anything on TikTok which is banned by Facebook?

That's wrong question. It usually doesn't matter what is banned, but what is "shadow-banned" really matters.

You can't see what is shadow-banned on Facebook because they don't tell us how they do moderation on their news feed.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by jessaustin on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:25AM (#21621370)
The difference is important on the level of individual users, but it's not important for this discussion. As TFA demonstrates, it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research. Users can assist researchers by pointing out what content they've had banned.

I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by kds3 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @03:11PM (#21622994)
> it's possible for diligent researchers to reveal unpublicized policies through their research

It's possible to reveal __some__ policies (like trivial one with breastfeeding), but I think that reverse-engineering of non-trivial policies is really hard.

Like moving some type of content to the bottom of the feed for some category of users. It may not look like a ban, but who is gonna scroll to the bottom of the feed? Or 25% bias in news priorities of one political party over another for some users.

Their non-trivial policies may also change over time, so it would be hard to prove any of them. They had years to optimize their news feed.

And who will have time and knowledge to do statistics? With millions of eyeballs we still have tons of trivial bugs in open source software.

> I haven't seen a reason to suspect that TikTok have been any more open about their moderation policies than Facebook or indeed any other social media platform have been.

I don't know any of big news players who have open editorial policy, but TikTok is new in the industry and I think they don't have knowledge and technologies to develop non-trivial policies like Facebook, Twitter, NYT or any other big player.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by jessaustin on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:54PM (#21630808)
The idea that TikTok is newer and therefore likely to have less baroque policies is at least plausible (not necessarily likely, given China's millennia of bureaucratic praxis), unlike every other response to thread parent's question of how they are different from any other networked social service.
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by SebastianKra on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:36AM (#21620648)
> Yeah I could give you a nice list of words that results in an similar results page from Google, Youtube or Facebook.

Could you give me some examples?

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by 12elephant on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:28AM (#21628905)
Alex Jones, for example, has been removed from YouTube and Facebook.
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by SebastianKra on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:37PM (#21633553)
He's still the top result on Google.

The parent comment is suggesting that there are topics that there are topics wich would get him banned just for mentioning them.

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by s9w on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @06:05AM (#21637229)
People have been punished here for answering a very similar question to yours (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19945640). Even mentioning Alex Jones is very risky. And depending on the answer to your question might actually get you sued, at least in europe.

It's become impossible to say things you're legally allowed to anywhere but very fringe places on the web. [inb4 "private company etc etc": Sites can police speech as they want. Still it's a shame.]

Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by kangnkodos on Monday November 25, 2019 @11:38AM (#21629861)
His account has been removed, but there's still lots of content on Facebook discussing him and his ideas. There are also still lots of people on Facebook who discuss similar ideas. TikTok, on the other hand, has banned/deplatformed certain classes of ideas.
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by s9w on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:41AM (#21620676)
I would get banned from this site faster than I could say Meinungsfreiheit
Re:TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship by SebastianKra on Monday November 25, 2019 @09:55AM (#21628584)
Could you point me in the right direction? I genuinely have no clue what could be that taboo.