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Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by jiofih on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:36PM (#21616367)
As an European, Amazon Go seems like extreme over-engineering, with its vision-based system and all. I can already quickly scan items as I put them in my basket, either using a handheld scanner you pick up at the entrance, or my own mobile phone. You can also do it all at once in the self-checkout station. It already takes little to no time, and simply adding a very fast barcode reader to the basket itself or RFID would completely eliminate any time spent there. Payment takes five seconds with contactless / Apple Pay. Most small supermarkets already have only one or two cashiers working at any time.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by stoops on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:07PM (#21616550)
There is an immense difference between what you describe and the user experience of Amazon Go. It was one of the most revolutionary experiences once I got accustomed to it.

I used to regularly get lunch in < 30 seconds at Amazon Go. My record was 12 seconds for a soda and sandwhich. They added more processing time for that calculation at some point. But I basically could get things as quick as my feet could take me in and out.

It's really not the same experience. You should try it when you get the chance.

Here are my most recent trip times according to the app (assume a 15s overestimate to my real experience):

37s - Dr Pepper

32s - Dr Pepper

1m12s - Dr Pepper, sandwhich, cookies

33s - Dr Pepper

1m33s - Dr Pepper

36s - Dr Pepper

44s - Vitamin Water

46s - Sandwhich, cookies

30s - Vitamin Water

32s - Dr Pepper

31s - Dr Pepper

35s - Dr Pepper

I would estimate that most of these have a 15s overestimate.

This has not been a Dr Pepper advertisement.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday November 23, 2019 @07:56PM (#21617641)
I can and have bought a Coke Zero in that amount of time by using self-checkouts with Apple Pay in Sweden (specifically the ones at Pressbyrån and 7-Eleven). Walk in, grab bottle, scan and press pay, Apple Pay Touch ID, a few seconds for the transaction to approve, and I'm out of the store.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by adrianmonk on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:06PM (#21617904)
Are there never lines at the checkout in Sweden? Here in the US, we have self-checkout, and we have contactless payment too (though not my stubborn grocery store), but you still often have to wait because the process is slow and the store gets busy.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by ALittleLight on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:34PM (#21618370)
Though I've never tried a Swedish self-checkout system I'm fairly convinced that it can't possibly be as fast as the Amazon Go stores. However adept you are at manipulating the self checkout machine and paying, that can't compare to the greater speed of not doing that at all and just walking out the door.

Shopping at the Go Store is much faster. When you're grabbing a single item you can have times of ~10 seconds. Grabbing more items and you save more time by not having to check out. No checkout, no lines, no figuring out why your phone or card isn't accepted, or what error message is on screen etc. In and out as simply and efficiently as possible.

I wouldn't say it is revolutionary, but it does cut down the time it takes to go shopping. It's like a perfect version of self-checkout.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by QuesnayJr on Sunday November 24, 2019 @04:51AM (#21619386)
I have bought single things using self-checkout that quickly, but I think the difference would be when you buy 5 or more things. Then the time to scan becomes noticeable.

Another, more subtle feature is that I never wait in line because I have trained myself to never go at peak times. I waste a certain amount of time thinking about it.

That said, I find the idea of a cashierless store super-creepy and will be among the last adopters.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by stoops on Saturday November 23, 2019 @08:44PM (#21617823)
Can you do it 20 times in a row like I did?
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by maxerickson on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:09PM (#21617916)
Does it matter?

It's nice that you save a couple minutes, but I doubt it really has much impact on your day.

Or was that all on Thursday morning?

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by stoops on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:16PM (#21617940)
Classic dismissal of disruptive technology because it seems marginally beneficial.

I absolutely guarantee it will change your spending habits this coming decade.

I'm not sure if there's a way to understand until you experience it being walking distance from your office.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by maxerickson on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:18PM (#21617946)
I don't use the vending machine that is there, I drink water.

I suppose it is not so likely there will be a store in walking distance the next few years.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by mypalmike on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:36PM (#21617995)
Yeah these times seem really high. The app reported that I averaged about 12s for grabbing the same item every morning (boiled eggs) for about 6 months.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by jiofih on Sunday November 24, 2019 @02:59PM (#21622900)
And I think you are overestimating the amount of work in the process I described (hence, overengineering). You can totally grab a soda and walk out in <30s here. Supermarkets are local and small, you’ll rarely find a line at self-checkout.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by sithadmin on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:58PM (#21616500)
This was how I felt about Amazon Go...until I tried Amazon Go.

I had previously tried other markets with handheld UPC scanners or mobile device scanning, but still ended up with delays I'd rather avoid (passing through the queue at self-checkout). Amazon Go really is completely effortless once you have checked in to the store, although doing things like putting items into your own backpack while shopping feels...very weird. But being able to waltz out the door with zero delays is a true luxury in urban areas where markets almost always have long queues for checkout (regardless of if they have a human attendant or not).

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by remarkEon on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:12PM (#21616583)
I’ve been only a dozen times, but the experience gets fermented in your mind such that you will accidentally try to walk out of a 7-11 without paying. It really is effortless and a totally new customer experience. I’m still not sure if it’s a net positive, but just scanning in and walking out is great.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by Klinky on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:39PM (#21616384)
Vision system replaces cashier and loss prevention. Plus I imagine just grabbing stuff lowers the barrier to sale, versus having to scan each item and acknowledge the cost.
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by cavisne on Saturday November 23, 2019 @06:01PM (#21617202)
These methods work by turning the shopper into a cashier. Amazon go completely removes the cashier role from the experience, the shopper just picks up the item as they did before and walks out.

Using vision to solve a problem always seems inefficient but it scales out way better than anything else (ie the various ways google maps uses vision when in a world with perfect map data it wouldn’t be needed).

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by privateSFacct on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:26PM (#21618343)
You haven't used american self checkout machines yet then!

"Unidentified item in the bagging area!"

"Please place item in the bagging area!"

How would you like to pay? Pick credit card Please complete purchase on separate device to the right.

Do people really love even those voice / flow of these machines?

I've used amazon go. It is as far as I can tell very low friction. I'm not 100% sure how they figured out what I got but it was correct in my case.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by pottertheotter on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:23AM (#21618560)
I had those problems in the past but I don’t think I’ve had a problem with self checkout in the last couple years. Granted, all my experiences are at Walmart so maybe they have figured it out. In addition, the whole process is quick and painless. I scan a QR code with the Walmart app when I get to the self checkout, scan my items, press done, and leave.

Also, the Scan and Go system they have at Sam’s Club is awesome. I can scan items on my phone as I’m shopping. When I’m done, I tap purchase, and then walk out with my stuff.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by marcusverus on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:59PM (#21616512)
My local (US) grocery story has a similar scan-as-you-go feature available, and I haven't seen a single person using it in the year or so that it has been available. For older folks and the tech-illiterate, it is likely somewhat intimidating to have to teach yourself a new 'techie' feature on the fly.

Amazon's method may require you to log in or scan in with a barcode from the Amazon app, but just about everyone already has some basic experience with the Amazon service. And once you do a single scan, it just works.

Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by X6S1x6Okd1st on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:45PM (#21616411)
Imo The point is to reduce friction and variance for the consumer, not necessarily reduce the # of employees
Re:Amazon Go Cashierless Supermarkets, Pop-Up Stores Coming ... by imtringued on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:19PM (#21616629)
This only works if you add RFID tags to every product and then have an RFID gate as checkout.