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Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by throwGuardian on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:00PM (#21615792)
Just like with China, Apple will simply roll over, like an obedient puppy, and do whatever's asked of them.

It's funny how Apple only punches down - against app devs or other companies that it can bully, but the moment it faces a formidable adversary (China, Russia, ..), it cowers to safety.

Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by lordnacho on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:51PM (#21616456)
Isn't that how power works in general? Why would they pick a fight with a government just to prove they are tough? If you're gonna lose, don't fight.
Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by class4behavior on Saturday November 23, 2019 @04:54PM (#21616856)
It isn't power that makes Apple comply but the value of the Chinese market.

Russia's market isn't that attractive but it's doing ok and it can take advantage of the requirements China enforces anyway. That is, there is no point for companies to leave Russia when they're complying to similar demands in China anyway.

Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by entropea on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:11PM (#21615849)
There are plenty of western apps doing surveillance on people and selling data, as the article mentions. I'm not sure how abiding by countries regulations when the only thing about them is that they aren't defined by the USA's is really a bad thing.
Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by throwGuardian on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:19PM (#21615897)
But Apple only abides when it has to:

1. USA: Apple denies access to the FBI on known/convicted terrorist's phone, iCloud. China: Apple moves entire iCloud operation over to a government cloud, with no privacy guarantees.

2. USA: Apple blocks app stores within third party apps. China: WeChat/govt. threaten Apple with censure, to which Apple succumbs allowing "apps" on WeChat-china.

3. Apple sure as heck won't approve/deny apps based on government input, but they damn well will remove Taiwan emojis, Hong Kong protestors apps, etc at China's behest.

So no - Apple only punches down, never up. They aren't complying with local law, they are routinely violating their own moral grandstanding on privacy, freedom, tracking, ...

Re:Russia bans smartphones without local software by 1996 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @03:14PM (#21616231)
Your analysis is correct, just missing one thing: apple can pretend to refuse the domestic government requests. It is good for their reputation and profits.

But given what they do abroad, I have no reason to believe they don't do the same at home. If they don't, a secret court order with a gag clause and jail term for those who refuse to comply will make them obey.

Neither apple nor the government has any interest in this public display of force. Plausible deniability again: make people believe apple stand for their right, even if you don't get stuff to pin down a know bad guy or two - doesn't matter if you still have plenty on them or if they're dead