Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)
by mattmcknight on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:13PM
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You falsely imply that the parent comment attempts "to deny that consciousness exists". What the parent comment actually says is "consciousness is nothing special" and "consciousness is a sliding scale rather than a binary property". These are different from non-existence.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)
by arbsn on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:06PM
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p-zombies are not conscious, by definition.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)
by missosoup on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:23PM
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p-zombies can believe that they are though. Which circles back to 'consciousness is nothing special' rather than 'consciousness doesn't exist'.
To put it another way, if AGI is computable, then we are all p-zombies. And evidence is starting to strongly hint that AGI is computable.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)
by bermanoid on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:46PM
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Claiming that some mysterious and hard to define property that we can't measure even in principle "exists" in some meaningful way strikes me as the stronger claim than the skeptical take does.
Why do you think the burden of proof should be inverted? The mere fact that most humans intuitively feel "something" doesn't count for much of anything, especially once you stipulate that p-zombies would vote the same way.
If I made a list of everything in order of how certain I am that the item on the list exists, consciousness would be at the top by far. Everything else could just be a nice illusion.