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Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by crazygringo on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:13AM (#21614183)
I was say fundamentally no -- and Douglas Hofstadter is probably the foremost spokesperson against intelligence being curve fitting.

General intelligence is primarily about developing useful conceptual categories (not mapping to existing ones) and drawing cause-and-effect inferences that assist us in achieving goals.

Curve fitting is just another name for pattern recognition, mapping to previously defined categories. I would personally argue there's no intelligence there whatsoever. Intelligence can't exist without a foundation of pattern recognition, but it isn't the same thing.

Intelligence is fundamentally goal-directed and able to reason, while curve-fitting is fundamentally not.

(There is also unsupervised learning in deep learning, which doesn't use previously defined categories, but since it is similarly non-goal-directed, I would still argue that this is merely dimension reduction as opposed to intelligence -- useful for sure, but not the same.)

Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by codingslave on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:15AM (#21614191)
We dont know anything about AGI, and we arent sure how it would work. Its impossible to make assertions like this
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by chongli on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:43PM (#21615312)
We know a great deal more about biological general intelligence than we do about AGI. Many animals create their own goals and work to achieve them. We learn what works and what does not, and adapt our strategies to compensate. Humans do this (obviously) but a lot of other intelligent animals can do it as well.

One of my favourite examples is the New Caledonian crows who have learned to use traffic to crack nuts [1]. Here, a crow had no pre-defined objective function apart from "eat food to stay alive" and has accomplished something remarkable. It found a food source that it had never had access to before, it developed a complex model of its urban environment, it combined its knowledge of the problem (the hard nut shell) with its knowledge of its environment (cars crush small objects), and it constructed a sophisticated for strategy for using cars to crack open the nuts and fetching the contents when the traffic lights indicated it was safe to do so.

This is general intelligence!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0

Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by slx26 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:31AM (#21614258)
we don't know everything, but we definitely know something about current ML, and we can indeed speculate and make some educated guesses about AGI. for a random comment on the internet, that contained some interesting information. of course, an actual implementation of AGI might be anything, but the comment was broader than that
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by quikoa on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:22AM (#21614223)
Yea I think we just don't know enough. Even if curve fitting alone wouldn't be sufficient it may very well play a crucial role in the agi algorithm.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by petra on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:17AM (#21614202)
Reinforcement learning is unsupervised and goal directed.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by gus_massa on Saturday November 23, 2019 @10:19AM (#21614521)
> General intelligence is primarily about developing useful conceptual categories (not mapping to existing ones) …

There are some algorithms like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-means_clustering that get a set of data and try to create the categories to better classify them. There are many algorithm and the results don't agree all the time. But this is an open ended task, like the classification of biological species in animals. (Plants are more difficult, and bacterias even more.)

Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by jimduk on Saturday November 23, 2019 @02:05PM (#21615818)
Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition. Was a good name, still will be. Great progress has been made, but it's not AGI as anyone who goes to CVPR will tell you.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by zozbot234 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:30AM (#21614253)
It's not like there's a huge difference. Causal inference is a special case of curve-fitting, where one chooses what variables should enter into the fit according to a causal graph.
Re:AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018) by bobcostas55 on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:16AM (#21614803)
By that definition the vast majority of humans do not possess general intelligence.