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Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by jjoonathan on Thursday November 21, 2019 @06:12PM (#21600782)
I'll bite.

Nixon telling South Vietnam he would give them a better deal if they dragged their feet during a peace negotiation with his political rival.

Trump withholding military aid from Ukraine unless they made a public statement about an investigation into his political rival.

What are the comparable accusations against the Democrats?

Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by deogeo on Thursday November 21, 2019 @06:48PM (#21601036)
Biden and Kerry's kids got $1 billion of Chinese investment right after their parents' diplomatic mission to China: https://nypost.com/2018/03/15/inside-the-shady-private-equit...
Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by the_gastropod on Thursday November 21, 2019 @07:29PM (#21601289)
False. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/oct/02...

As a rule of thumb: if your source is New York Post, you should try looking elsewhere.

Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by droithomme on Friday November 22, 2019 @11:54AM (#21607367)
That's by Peter Schweizer talking about his amazing book "Secret Empires" that came out in 2017. The book documents corruption on both the left and the right and has over 100 pages of citations.

It documents far beyond any doubt massive corruption and treason.

The Chinese deal was having Kerry approve a deal where China got access to restricted US military technology.

Articles documenting the Biden kid's shady "equity fund", which is partially owned by the Chinese government, have been ongoing for many years in a variety of media. They were particularly popular in 2015-16 when the media was trashing the Bidens because they wanted Hillary to get the nomination.

Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by deogeo on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:52PM (#21601762)
> Mesires said that, in any case, the $1.5 billion amount was never reached. The investment fund raised about $4.2 million "from various sources," Mesires said, without citing further detail. That would be a fraction of what Trump said: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/oct/02...

> The company website in 2016 reported that Bohai Capital managed the 20 Billion RMB ($2.8 billion) fund. [..] business registration filings in China list Hunter Biden and James Bulger as key officials at Bohai Harvest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHR_Partners

So he is a 'key official' at a fund with billions of dollars of Chinese investment. But you find that claim 'false' because his lawyer states that they only raised $4.2 million, during some unspecified period of time, from unspecified sources, and explicitly declined to give any details. Being a lawyer, I'm sure his statement is technically correct. Given all the other sources, I'm also sure it's utterly misleading.

Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by jakeogh on Thursday November 21, 2019 @09:15PM (#21601865)
Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday November 21, 2019 @06:36PM (#21600945)
Ted Kennedy asked the Soviets to help him defeat Reagan, explaining that Soviet-American relations would be critically important in the 1984 election and offering to fly to Moscow to help with their messaging. (Of course, like with Nixon and Trump, many people do dispute this characterization and Kennedy claimed the entire story was made up.)
Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by jjoonathan on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:49PM (#21601743)
That's the first time I've gotten a real answer to this question!

Of course, the available information allows one to believe, not believe, or assign significantly differing severity to these, and I do, but I wasn't aware of this before, so thanks.

Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by manofstick on Thursday November 21, 2019 @09:13PM (#21601856)
Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday November 21, 2019 @09:44PM (#21601975)
See, this is the kind of response that makes people not trust Politifact. This article delivers a more detailed version of exactly what I said. There's direct evidence indicating Kennedy reached out to the KGB, and indirect evidence it was tied to his political ambitions, but there's no ironclad proof and some people believe the evidence was just a complete fabrication. The "false" rating is based entirely on the specific claim that Kennedy sat down for a meeting with them, which I think you'll find I did not make.
Re:Study of “moral grandstanding” helps explain why social m... by jjoonathan on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:37PM (#21612058)
Just to be clear, you're saying manofstick's response is at fault here, and that an undiscriminating reader might blame Politifact by association, not that Politifact did wrong here, correct?

Manofstick incorrectly suggested that the Politifact article applied to your post, but it looks to me like Politifact itself did an exemplary job. They evaluated the specific claim that a meeting happened, which was made by a conservative pundit, and found it false, which is consistent with the evidence they present and all other evidence I found in my brief poke through google.