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Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by mbell on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:35PM (#21596825)
> Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative.

Genuine question: What is innovative here? There are at least a dozen attempts at 'cloud gaming' that I'm aware of dating back about a decade.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by jakebasile on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:50PM (#21597049)
Now you can play games at lower quality and higher latency than ever before, and pay Google for the privilege of renting them! Plus, Google can control what games you play! Innovation!
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by saynay on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:11PM (#21597311)
AFAIK, there is a big difference in the backend. Something like the Playstation 'cloud gaming' gave you remote access to a playstation console. Others gave you access to a VM running the game. I think Microsoft was talking about giving you access to your own XBox running at home?

The games were not re-engineered / ported specifically to run 'in the cloud' as Stadia is attempting. There are some interesting things that could allow, if a developer ever decides to utilize it.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by maest on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:12PM (#21598170)
My mental model is that Stadia is just like owning a PS/Xbox, but the hardware is in Google's datacentres.

You pay the one-off cost to buy the console, you then maybe pay for the Pro subscription, but you have to buy your games and those games are locked to that platform - just like with PS/Xbox.

All the other stuff about having games that deliver something unseen before because of "the cloud" are mostly promises and theoretical features at this stage, so I wouldn't bank too much on that.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by heywoods on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:57PM (#21597140)
I think I can help answer your question, but just watching the keynote will be best. https://youtu.be/hl-Y1QVhmcM. The tl;dr of the whole keynote is what's different about Google's attempt at 'Cloud Gaming' is their ability to leverage their infrastructure. Outside of Amazon and Microsoft I don't know of another company that will be able to match the latency and computation requirements to make this all work as marketed. What really stood out to me from their keynote this year was the number of edge nodes that Google has on top of their datacenter infrastructure. https://youtu.be/hl-Y1QVhmcM?t=1360
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by AlexandrB on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:14PM (#21597360)
> What is different with Google's attempt at 'Cloud Gaming' is their ability to leverage their infrastructure.

That's not innovation, it's just having a bigger stick than the other guy.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by lonelappde on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:32PM (#21597602)
Yes,we know, nothing remotely similar to anything else is innovation. Airplanes are just bicycles with bolted on wings.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by bhauer on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:22PM (#21597449)
Okay, but that's hardly what most would consider innovative. Applying their large scale is more of an evolution of or improvement to the established cloud gaming idea.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by lonelappde on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:34PM (#21597637)
That's what the word "innovation" means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by maest on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:14PM (#21598188)
All that compute and network power and yet GeForceNow performs better for me than Stadia.

I'm just one datapoint, I know, but that's also just a keynote.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by hyperpallium on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:22PM (#21597453)
Google Suggest is low latency, and required a huge effort, driven from the top.

Cloud gaming needs even lower latency. I don't think it's possible, but if google is doing the serious datacenter work, it must be a testbed for something else, because gaming isn't worth it anyway.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by gilrain on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:42PM (#21597727)
"gaming isn't worth it anyway"

> By 2018, the United States video game industry had matched that of the Unites States film industry on basis of revenue, with both industries having made around US$43 billion that year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_industry

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by hyperpallium on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:39PM (#21598552)
Google's revenue in 2018 was $137B... but you're right, a slice of $43B may be worth it to them.