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Re:Apple Antitrust Probe – Responses to Congress [pdf] by pjc50 on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:52AM (#21592437)
> Furthermore, Apple sells integrated products. They don't sell operating systems, browsers, app stores, and NFC chips.

Well, yes, that is the battlefield here: should the market in software, services, and media exist, or should consumers have to pick which vertical silo to use and then be unable to switch without prohibitive re-purchasing and setup costs?

Re:Apple Antitrust Probe – Responses to Congress [pdf] by Terretta on Thursday November 21, 2019 @11:07PM (#21602321)
The iPhone is a PDA is a toaster. Splitting the software from the hardware is like splitting the coils from the chrome.

The consumer just wants perfectly consistently browned toast, while not dying from electrical shock or setting her house on fire. She’s not really buying a toaster, she’s buying no-hassle toast.

If you allow that’s what an iPhone is, rather than a general personal computing device, Apple’s stance makes more sense.

Re:Apple Antitrust Probe – Responses to Congress [pdf] by vageli on Friday November 22, 2019 @12:22PM (#21607656)
> The iPhone is a PDA is a toaster. Splitting the software from the hardware is like splitting the coils from the chrome. The consumer just wants perfectly consistently browned toast, while not dying from electrical shock or setting her house on fire. She’s not really buying a toaster, she’s buying no-hassle toast.

> If you allow that’s what an iPhone is, rather than a general personal computing device, Apple’s stance makes more sense.

But the iPhone is _not_ a toaster. To characterize the consumer wants around an iPhone and its variable uses as akin to the near uniform customer expectation to have a toaster that doesn't burn their house down while doing its job is hard for me to accept.

If a customer is really seeking "no hassle toast" when buying a toaster, what is the customer buying in an iPhone? No-hassle phone?

If so, are we construing "giving the consumer the option of installing software on their own device" as a hassle? With something like a phone, I believe users have come to expect the ability to install software of their choosing on the device, which is very different from expectations of software installation for something like a toaster.

Re:Apple Antitrust Probe – Responses to Congress [pdf] by lotsofpulp on Thursday November 21, 2019 @07:20AM (#21593374)
User experience is vastly better in the vertical silo of Apple for 99% of my family members, especially the older ones and those who aren’t as versed in English or messing with their devices.

I have a mid 90s uneducated great grandmother who grew up and still is in a rural village in a poor country able to contact all of her great grandchildren and video chat with them for the past 7 years.