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Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by estomagordo on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:00AM (#21592231)
Treated like a vowel now?
Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by henrikschroder on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:51AM (#21592433)
Other way around then? Is a consonant, but a defacto vowel? Whatever, English is weird.
Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by OJFord on Thursday November 21, 2019 @05:44AM (#21592924)
Why do you say it's a de facto vowel?

It isn't used like a vowel. There's no word 'XwY' for any string of letters X,Y - and you can't prounounce 'xwy' (for any single letters x,y) without adding vowel sound.

Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by checkyoursudo on Thursday November 21, 2019 @06:50AM (#21593221)
I suspect in the sense that 'w' acts like a long vowel or a diphthong in many cases in English when it is used in the middle or at the of a word.

E.g., (spelling vs pronunciation) 'town' vs 'toun', 'own' vs 'oan', 'bow' vs 'bo' or 'bau', etc.

It definitely seems like the most vowel-like consonant after 'y'.

Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by OJFord on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:01AM (#21593589)
'Semi-vowel' seems to be the word, for 'y' too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel

Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by henrikschroder on Thursday November 21, 2019 @09:57AM (#21594639)
> There's no word 'XwY' for any string of letters X,Y

Awe, ewe, owe, awl, owl, own, two...

But my point was that in all other European languages, the letter 'W' is clearly a consonant, usually realized as [v] or [ʋ], and seen as a variant of 'V'.

English is the odd one out, English sees it as a variant of 'U', and it's not clearly a consonant, it's a semi-vowel as you pointed out further down.

Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by OJFord on Thursday November 21, 2019 @10:36AM (#21595135)
Right, I meant consonants, not 'any letter'. (You could do examples like that for any consonant in place of 'w'.)