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Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by jdmichal on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @04:22PM (#21588664)
What you're seeing is the fact that /j/ (English Y as in <you>) is a semivowel, which is paired with /i/ (English long-E as in <feet>). This means that the sounds are almost exactly the same -- the consonant version tends to be a bit more restricted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel

EDIT: Also, the Spanish <ll> as /ʒ/ (S in English treasure) is not nearly as extent in South America as you might think. It's still mostly limited to Argentina and Uruguay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C3%ADsmo#She%C3%ADsmo

EDIT EDIT: I misread the symbols a bit, and in other areas of South and Central America it's /ʝ/ instead of /ʒ/, which is not a very big difference at all. (Palatal vs postalveolar... Basically neighbors.)

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Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by DonaldPShimoda on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @04:37PM (#21588823)
> Also, the Spanish <ll> as /ʒ/ (S in English treasure) is not nearly as extent in South America as you might think. It's still mostly limited to Argentina and Uruguay:

In Puerto Rican Spanish (at least, my grandmother's family's accent), the <ll> is more of a /dʒj/ sort of thing. "llama" comes out to "djyamma", with the "dj" softened significantly. Not sure how to express that more precisely in IPA, though.

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Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by jdmichal on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @05:07PM (#21589109)
Maybe /ʝ/? That's the palatal version of /ʒ/, which explains your desire to add a /j/ in there.

The Wikipedia I linked is about the merging of <ll> and <y> to /ʝ/ if you want to read more. Interestingly, I don't hear this a lot in the northern Mexican Spanish I hear, even though all of Central America is marked as merged.

I didn't read it correctly the first time, and I was wrong to call it out in the first place. The difference between /ʝ/ and /ʒ/ is not so big for me to have said anything.

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Re:The Swedish phoneme notorious for having a dedicated IPA ... by ljm on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @05:41PM (#21589408)
That was precisely what I was trying to allude to :) ‘ll’ is a soft ‘dj’ in Columbia also.
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