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Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:26PM (#21575559)
Scorsese misses the point of the genre. Superhero movies, and any sort of movie franchise, are about getting to revisit a world that you like. We care less about whether the story represents a "window into our soul" and more about soaking in the environment that brings us some level of joy.

Scorsese doesn't understand this because he likes mafia movies; not the type of universe you want to live in. Mafia movies are about taking a peak into a grimy sort of world that we all know exists to some degree but don't want to be part of ourselves.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by yazboo on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:55PM (#21575927)
> Superhero movies, and any sort of movie franchise, are about getting to revisit a world that you like. We care less about whether the story represents a "window into our soul" and more about soaking in the environment that brings us some level of joy.

This sounds like a theme park to me, which was exactly Scorsese's point.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @12:58PM (#21575966)
His point was to move the genre away from movies he likes into a box with things he perceives to be lesser. But he's wrong, a movie has more in common with other movies than it does a physical location where you go to have fun.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by munificent on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @01:13PM (#21576158)
How is he missing the point when you're basically restating exactly what he said? They're an escapist ride, not a story of the human experience.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @01:44PM (#21576608)
They are both escapism and stories of the human experience. Spiderverse, for example, is partially about overcoming self-doubt.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by arrakeen on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:35PM (#21577979)
> Spiderverse, for example, is partially about overcoming self-doubt.

this is a laughably bad example. successful art at its best can reveal something new about yourself or the human condition; it can make you feel emotions that you don't even have words for.

overcoming self-doubt is something we teach children.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:46PM (#21578086)
Happy to hear that you've moved past that human emotion, but you don't need to insult those who still experience it.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by dorkwood on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:43AM (#21581890)
How do you teach someone to overcome self doubt? Asking for a friend.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by ssully on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:22PM (#21577071)
You really need to do some research on Scorsese if you think he is only interested in mafia movies. You completely undercut about 75% of the movies his makes, and the work he does outside of directing when it comes to supporting others in the film industry.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:28PM (#21577157)
Happy to be educated. Movies about crime and organized crime in particular is a major part of Scorsese's filmography, and certainly his most popular films. I haven't seen every movie he's made but I'm not aware of any that could be called "uplifting". My point was that the types of films he creates hits at a particular emotion that is far from the emotions evoked by so-called event movies.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by ssully on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @02:53PM (#21577485)
Well you point is correct then, because he definitely doesn't have anything that would be considered "event movies" (which I assume by this you mean tent pole movies like what Marvel does, or other summer blockbusters).

With that said, my counter point was mainly to point out that you boxing in Scorsese as the "mob" guy is really bizarre. He has plenty of other kind's of movies, some of which you might find uplifting. The Aviator, Silence, or Hugo might fall into the uplifting category, but I feel a lot of his work (and the work of good artists) ends up being more nuanced to the point where associating one emotion to it is kind of diminishing the work.

Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:49PM (#21578113)
Not just event movies, any sort of movies that can be considered "feel-good" in any way is pretty outside of what Scorsese does. I haven't seen Hugo and maybe that applies! Maybe he's had 1 or 2 or 3 that apply, I can't say. It's still fair to say that it's not the typical type of movie he creates, which was my only point.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Zelphyr on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:47PM (#21578099)
"Hugo" was beautifully done, was uplifting, and wasn't crime related in the way other of his works are. I just finished the book it was based on and he was very faithful to it.
Re:Alan Moore on superhero culture by Touche on Tuesday November 19, 2019 @03:50PM (#21578121)
Great, so there's 1 example. That doesn't negate my point.