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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by geofft on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:10PM (#21556522)
You're arguing against a point that wasn't being made. It is absolutely possible to try to hire more women and require them all to meet the hiring bar (as you yourself point out with your story about Facebook).

1. Assigning the most reliable interviewers to women ensures that women who do meet the bar don't get inaccurately rejected.

2. The hiring bar is enforced at the on-site, not at the phone screen.

3. Sourcing an all-women group from a hiring event and sending them through the normal interview process is ... sending them through the normal interview process.

If you want to claim that Google is trying harder to hire qualified women than qualified men, sure, I don't think anyone disputed that. The dispute was whether Googlers ever think an unqualified person was hired to meet a diversity goal.

(And how often does Google fire someone for discovering that their interview process emitted a false positive? Given the incredible cost of making that mistake, most hiring processes are tuned to err towards false negatives instead of false positives, and Google's intensive process should be particularly good at that. Unless you're claiming HR is firing qualified men to meet a quota - i.e., textbook wrongful termination at scale - a bias for never getting around to firing women can't have a noticeable effect.)

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by kortilla on Sunday November 17, 2019 @02:55PM (#21559698)
> tuned to err towards false negatives instead of false positives

This is a lie perpetuated by googlers. That’s a false dichotomy. There is no evidence that their process reduces false positives. Pointing to a bunch of false negatives just means they have a process that produces a bunch of false negatives. For how smart googlers are purported to be, you would think they wouldn’t report such an obviously illogical statement.

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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by tptacek on Sunday November 17, 2019 @01:05PM (#21559079)
the only reason Google doesn't just outright ban white men from applying for engineering jobs is

Please don't troll on HN.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by thu2111 on Monday November 18, 2019 @04:59AM (#21563072)
Sadly, this isn't trolling. There's a lawsuit that claims much evidence of this:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi...

Maybe you don't agree with those claims but please don't simply write off anything you don't like the sound of as trolling.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by geofft on Sunday November 17, 2019 @11:53AM (#21558708)
> Do you really think Google doesn't let men go for low performance? I saw that happen many times.

Cool, you should sue. The SJW women are suing alleging Google has been discriminating against them: https://googlegendercase.com/ Are you going to let the SJWs win? It sounds like you have an open-and-shut case, from what you're claiming.

> Feminists would utterly lose it.

Again, that's not what's under dispute. What is being claimed is that Googlers have no reason to doubt that every person there met the hiring bar. Even in your scenario, that would still be true. Even if Google refrained entirely from hiring white men - which, yes, would be illegal - they could still enforce the hiring bar.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by thu2111 on Monday November 18, 2019 @05:00AM (#21563079)
There's already such a lawsuit by a recruiter:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi...

I don't have any documents or hard evidence, just what I saw and heard. So I can't contribute to that case even if I wanted to get involved.