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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by ThrowawayR2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:15PM (#21548836)
As an old school liberal, it pains me to see these activists described as "liberal". They don't even believe in freedom of speech for pity's sake, formerly a hallmark of being far right.

Call them progressives, call them identity politics advocates, but whatever they are, they are not liberals. Don't lump us in with them.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by dredmorbius on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:23PM (#21548899)
The case of Classic Liberals opposing universal freedom of speech (originally largely aimed at "papists", a/k/a the Catholic Church, ~1600 - ~1800), is not entirely novel.

It's a power relation, and one which recognises that a sufficiently empowered majority (or oppressive, empowered, minority) can itself be inimicable with, or at least effectively portrayed as same, free expression.

The story of free expression is more complex than virtually all treatments acknowledge.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by underwater on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:22PM (#21549743)
I hope you can identify the irony in your statement.
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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by bitwize on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:22PM (#21548888)
> and when "anybody who thinks that it's okay for there to be consequences for racism / sexism / other bigotry is a worthless California leftist and should be ignored" became the default modus operandi of many right-wing extremists.

That was always the MO of right-wing extremists. But after Trump's election is when people whose views were once considered moderate-left to moderate-right suddenly became "far-right", "alt-right", or "Nazis".

I think it stems from a mentality that someone else pointed out: not wanting to discuss the matter is tacit support for the status quo. A.k.a. "if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem." A.k.a. "Until they are free they are part of the System, and that System is the enemy." If you aren't anti-racist or anti-sexist enough, you must be racist or sexist.

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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by AnimalMuppet on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:03PM (#21549266)
bitwize said that, after Trump's election, a lot of stuff got labeled "far right" that never was before.

You replied that bitwize was supporting white nationalists and repeating a propaganda narrative.

Hmm... I'd say you just proved bitwize's point.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by weberc2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:41PM (#21549080)
Most moderates are fine with consequences for racism/sexism/etc, but we object to willfully misinterpreting one's political opponents as espousing racism/sexism/etc in order to justify their persecution. It's the weaponization of those consequences that we object to.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by sagichmal on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:17PM (#21549347)
You see weaponization, I see regular old consequences.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by weberc2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:48PM (#21549527)
That's fine that you see it that way; let's have a debate about that. Why do we punish people for being skeptical, for example, that discrimination is the principle cause for disparities in tech employment or the wage gap? Why is it fundamentally sexist to _merely consider_ the possibility that there are population level differences between men and women--even when those differences leave men and women equal on average (e.g., Damore)?

How can we resist racism/sexism without a basis in knowledge? And if we have that basis in knowledge, how can we verify if verification is itself racist/sexist?

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Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by zozbot234 on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:32PM (#21548992)
Except if they're a leftist, liberal type, of course. Or even an adherent of a "preferred" or "protected" religion. These get to say racist, sexist, homophobic things all day long, and none of their fellow activists would bat an eye.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by bitwize on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:36PM (#21549030)
"White men ain't shit in tech" => no action taken despite being technically a CoC violation
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by lawnchair_larry on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:40PM (#21549070)
What’s that from?
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by bitwize on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:13PM (#21549323)
https://mobile.twitter.com/kimcrayton1/status/11694053018183...

This is the person who led the movement to successfully deplatform Charles Max Wood, btw.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by weberc2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:35PM (#21549026)
To your point, the left's treatment of Trudeau's blackface is an interesting case study.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by nlfwhulsdhouv on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:04PM (#21549273)
The left was pretty damn upset about the blackface scandal.

The Liberals are a _centrist_ party, not a leftist one. That's the NDP.

Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by refurb on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:30PM (#21549429)
The left wasn’t upset enough not to vote for him!
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by umeshunni on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:28PM (#21548941)
Sure, once you classify anyone who opposes, for e.g. illegal immigration, as a racist, everyone is a racist.
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by klyrs on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:01PM (#21549624)
Re:Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings by zarkov99 on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:43PM (#21549096)
Except if you disparage white, straight men, sight unseen. Then you are just virtuous.