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Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by 4ad on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:11AM (#21543712)
3dsecure is security theater, I hate it so much. It doesn't matter if you have 3dsecure, because a scammer can use your card on some site that doesn't use 3dsecure. All 3dsecure does is making it harder for me to pay to legitmate websites in the EU. But wait, more often than not I can't pay at all because (in my case) 3dsecure uses SMS, and SMS delivery is unreliable, I can't get SMS from my bank when I travel to the US, or even some when I travel to some other EU countries. For me, it doesn't work approximatively 50% of the time.

And of course, SMS 2FA is not secure at all. Now if there's fraud and the scammer used 3dsecure with spoofed SMS, good luck convinging the bank it wasn't you.

"But SMS is not the only option" you say, "other banks have better 2FA", actually, I use other banks too. And they have something insane for 2FA: https://lobste.rs/s/1cyltz/two_factor_authentication_now_ava....

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by tluyben2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:16AM (#21543731)
If the site does not have 3dsecure then chargeback is easy...

And yes, agreed, SMS stinks. I have tokens for everything and insist on that. Unfortunately some banks now only have sms...

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by 4ad on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:19AM (#21543745)
See my edit about hw tokens. To me hw tokens are bad, not only because of the UI/UX disaster explained in the link above, but because I have to have the damn thing with me. Also, batteries ran out while I was in the US for 4 months, and the bank would not send me a new one, I'd have to come get it in person. Thanks bank!

And chargeback was always impossible in my case. In the US I click a button in the webui, or call a phone number. In the EU, I had to come in person to the bank three times, and fill all kinds of forms, and in the end, I still didn't get my money back.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by tluyben2 on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:29AM (#21543783)
Seems you had bad luck but to me that still doesn't warrant free 'screw all merchants' card.