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Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by klyrs on Thursday November 14, 2019 @03:48PM (#21539231)
I suspect that weapons producers don't have a shortage of investment opportunities. Their customers include militaries and police departments. And if it's "just politics," the finance industry skews right and the NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in the US. If ivestors are distancing themselves from the gun industry, I'd assume that it's good ol' fiscal conservatism: mass shootings are on the rise and they don't want to touch that liability with a 10' pole.
Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by flyingfences on Thursday November 14, 2019 @03:58PM (#21539318)
Big, established arms companies have decent financial prospects. Firearms/accessories businesses in the startup space (or just small, local businesses) are frequently cold-shouldered out of opportunities.
Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by beat on Thursday November 14, 2019 @05:14PM (#21540048)
What we think of as startup-style capital, the kind that goes into software, is a hard sell for firearms manufacturers, because it's very difficult to get an edge, compared to software. Manufacturing is expensive, with a lot of up-front costs, and can't easily be scaled without a lot more up-front costs. Meanwhile, established deep-pockets competitors can just duplicate a successful product.

This is really about boutique/niche product manufacturing. There's usually not a reasonable path to becoming a billion-dollar company, at any degree of risk. That's what "startup capital" wants... to get in on the ground floor of a billion dollar company. They want that 100x return. You're not going to get a 100x return manufacturing a better rifle scope or a boutique handgun.

This is what banks are for. Start business on scraped capital, show real customers and real profit, then go to a traditional bank with a traditional business plan for scaling capital.

Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by AmericanChopper on Thursday November 14, 2019 @04:47PM (#21539836)
Industries dominated by a small number of very large players are typically what you'd call 'ripe for disruption'. Banking has never had a shortage of funding either, but banking and financial startups have only recently started to influence the industry. I didn't hear about anybody turning down Stripe because "finance sector is overfunded".
Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by yabadabadoes on Thursday November 14, 2019 @05:49PM (#21540368)
Stripe went into the payment gateway business, competing with perhaps 100 pretty small players for the side the big players don't want.

Make a consumer product banks can copy and try to prove its viable and I think you'll get that feedback.

Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by AmericanChopper on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:18PM (#21540596)
Stripe, N26, SBV, Square, Brex, Monza... and many others all compete directly with banks.

That’s also very tangential to the fact that while some areas of banking, finance or weapons dealing may be dominated by large institutions, there’s plenty of other areas that are not. Stripe is a perfect example in how they started out by capturing a retail market that was outside the core business of the large players. Nobody would look at their value prop and say “finance is overfunded”, because that ignores what area they were actually trying to compete in.

If you wanted to make a startup that looked to innovate retail weapons trade, then no investor is going to tell you “you’ll never compete with Raytheon”, because no matter how big they are, they don’t compete in retail weapons trade. What they would more likely tell you is something like “we don’t invest in that vice industry”.

Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by Vector919 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @05:40PM (#21540292)
I think that's only true when the start up costs are relatively low, right? The airline industry also has a small number of very large players, but I don't know if we should also consider it ripe for disruption
Re:Vice Ventures is investing in taboo industries that other... by AmericanChopper on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:00PM (#21540448)
The airline industry has already been massively disrupted by innovative startups and new investment. Startups have drastically changed the business of selling flights and travel services to consumers, the rise of budget airlines has completely changed the competitive landscape of that industry, and there’s countless ways that outside innovations have found their way into the supply chains of the big players.