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Re:The importance of decentralisation by pjc50 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @11:09AM (#21536547)
> See the trend? Centralization is a natural outcome of millions of people not wanting to (1) spend money and (2) not wanting to spend extra time -- to fulfill ideals of decentralization.

Exactly. It's not a technological phenomenon, it's an economic one. It's actually present in all markets, but traditionally there is a "local" effect that allows variation to exist (if it's not free to ship goods to anywhere in the world), or a negative return to scale.

Technological goods, especially SaaS, can be "sold" anywhere in the world for near-zero marginal cost and tend to have positive returns to scale. Conventional economics dictates that this will tend to a monopoly. https://www.quora.com/Why-is-increasing-return-to-scale-inco...

Decentralists also tend to to recognise that, for most users of communications services, having a central authority to discipline bad actors results in an improvement to the service. This didn't exist for email so the Spamhaus and related services had to be invented.

Re:The importance of decentralisation by naringas on Thursday November 14, 2019 @11:15AM (#21536591)
> Technological goods, especially SaaS,

I think it's more accurate to call them "digital goods", because IMO what enables the less than near-zero marginal cost (I consider them negligible costs) is the digital nature of the "merchandise"

(a jet engine is a technological good, but it is material, not digital)

other than that, I completely agree. The trend towards centralization comes from the economics of the market (not from the nature of technology)

Re:The importance of decentralisation by jka on Thursday November 14, 2019 @11:26AM (#21536715)
Regarding your point about spam and bad actors: even though it's not the solution we've ended up with (i.e. training spam models, creating rulesets, sharing blacklists etc), this problem space always makes me think of Microsoft's 'Penny Black':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Black_(research_project)

There are further economic problem there; people won't want to pay anything for email, for example, now that they're accustomed to having it for free.

But if sending a message came at the cost of a few smartphone GPU cycles -- or some other widely accessible but difficult-to-hoard resource -- and as long as it didn't affect a person's mental perception of their bank balance -- perhaps there'd be opportunities for something like Penny Black again.

Re:The importance of decentralisation by blotter_paper on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:27PM (#21541726)
Funny, I like the efficiency added by the ticket server, but this solution is actually more centralised the one that came before it -- hashcash: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

Hashcash has the features you described above, but no mechanism for "returning" PoW to a user.