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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by empath75 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:37PM (#21529240)
> People, unlike machines, tend to regard differences between groups with suspicion and are biased against acknowledging these differences.

I would argue that the case is precisely the opposite. I was literally talking to someone from Colombia yesterday who was complaining to me about how all Venezuelans are lazy criminals that are stealing their jobs, when in an American context, people wouldn't even distinguish between them -- they'd both be 'hispanics' or 'latinos'.

That person took a difference caused by a temporary political and economic situation and applied it to a population of people as an inherent property. I think that is actually the way that _most_ people think, and to make people think otherwise requires a lot of education.

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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by manfredo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:02PM (#21529521)
Sure, I suppose I should have qualified that statement to refer to left leaning Americans (which are the primary demographic in US tech companies). Among these circles it is not socially acceptable to acknowledge disparities between groups, particularly when those disparities are related to demographics considered marginalized.
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by loopz on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:54PM (#21530032)
This narrative is your own though..

(Not saying wether it's "true", "false" or 78% likely here)

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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by manfredo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:22PM (#21530319)
The narrative is what I have observed and experienced working in the SF Bay area, and it's what the overwhelming majority of my colleagues report as well. You can also see it playing out in this thread, where people are not-so-subtly suggesting that people who point out disparities between rates of crime between groups are white supremacists: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21527985
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by loopz on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:31PM (#21530425)
The intelligent response is to find ways to convey a message without alienating the PC crowd (who incidentally just undermines their own authority when claiming to own absolute truth).

Many people have been repressed their whole lives. It doesn't get better by digging heels in, but sometimes compromise and not trying to win all wars, may turn out improved outcomes.

A big problem is the whole dull-minded "right vs left" duality. Tribal mentality that replaces actual issues and solutions.

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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by empath75 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:20PM (#21532471)
I’m going to not subtly at all say that if you’re pointing that out, you’re a racist.
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by manfredo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:29PM (#21532792)
I'm not sure I follow. I state that there is stigma attached to acknowledging differences between groups. Calling people racist for doing so seems to reinforce my claim that it is stigmatized, no?
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by empath75 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:44AM (#21534644)
Some stigmas are well deserved.
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by HBKXNCUO on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:44PM (#21529321)
>and to make people think otherwise requires a lot of education.

With enough education, you can make most people think just about anything.

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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by loopz on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:57PM (#21530056)
Education should be to make people think for themselves, come up with new ideas, inventions, better conventions or just enjoy life more.
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Re:A.I. Systems Echo Biases They’re Fed, Putting Scientists ... by HBKXNCUO on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:22PM (#21530904)
That would be nice. Too bad the people with the power to direct the education of the masses don't benefit from that and have no loyalty to the masses either.
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