Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)
by hans1729 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:05PM
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Good luck with that. The best product you'll come up with is some sort of snake oil. The whole point of GANs is that you can't really "detect" the synthesized components anymore. Not that this would/will stop people from claiming otherwise in the spirit of profitablity :-)
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Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)
by sdenton4 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:34PM
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No, GANs train exactly one discriminator, jointly with the generator. There's no guarantee that you can't train another good discriminator out of band.
Furthermore, GAN discriminators are (as I understand it) often hobbled a bit to ensure that the generator can make progress on the loss function. An always-correct D doesn't provide a useful gradient.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)
by kordlessagain on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:10PM
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GANs may produce imagery or audio which fools humans, but they are unlikely to consistently produce imagery or audio which fools humans over time.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)
by candiodari on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:33PM
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GANs train by fooling AIs, not humans. Fooling humans is a side effect, not the primary thing trained for (mostly because that's cheaper of course). It's just that humans are in some ways different from AIs in terms of fooling.
Looking at the papers I must say I think the ability to fool humans is a scale problem, not a fundamental limitation. Already GAN produced images and sounds survive "normal" human scrutiny: if you have no reason to suspect foul play you won't see it. If you really go looking, you'll see it.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)
by TallGuyShort on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:44PM
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Snake oil-tier anti-ML might do the trick. One of the problems is the level of confidence people put into ML in the first, when a lot of times it's also snake oil-quality. Just being able to cast doubt on that again would help prevent a loss of healthy skepticism and critical thinking.