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Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 11, 2019 @05:53PM (#21509795)
> using a tumbler doesn’t mean the crime of money laundering is occurring, as that crime requires an illicit origin not the mere act of obfuscation

Correct. But if someone (a) didn't pay taxes on cryptocurrency proceeds they (b) didn't declare after (c) using a tumbler, that's as pre-packaged a case as one gets.

Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by nokcha on Monday November 11, 2019 @06:34PM (#21510085)
There are legitimate reasons for wanting privacy/anonymity. Not everyone who uses a tumbler does so to evade taxes or launder money.
Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by RandomBacon on Monday November 11, 2019 @07:19PM (#21510318)
I think it would be better for plausible deniability to just use a coin that has default privacy built-in. That way no one can point to the fact that person went out of their way and spent money (transaction fees) to attempt a measure of privacy.
Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by 0xfffafaCrash on Monday November 11, 2019 @06:21PM (#21510001)
Using bitcoin to purchase goods and services would be a taxable event, but is there really a clear case that using a tumbler is a taxable event? On what grounds?
Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by ska on Monday November 11, 2019 @06:35PM (#21510086)
I think their arguments is you went say eth->btc and then through a tumbler, they would be able to charge you for tax avoidance on the eth->btc (assuming you didn't declare this and pay the tax) and then money laundering on the tumbler because it was meant to obfuscate that.
Re:IRS Says ‘Dozens’ of New Crypto, Cybercriminals Are Ident... by rolltiide on Monday November 11, 2019 @08:01PM (#21510536)
Read a couple of tax court rulings, IRS embarrasses itself all the time on overzealous stretches.

With non-reporting the IRS doesn't know how a taxpayer is categorizing a transaction. They wouldn't know if a transfer was a payment for a good/service with a capital gain or less required, or if a transfer was collateralizing debt to a third party that manages their collateral however they want which would not be a tax event, for example.