Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by jes5199 on Monday November 11, 2019 @02:20PM
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in the age of slack, where managers about to instant message you any second, you don't really get control of your schedule
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by carc on Monday November 11, 2019 @05:26PM
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I'll never understand this sentiment. You don't have to have alerts from slack outside of business hours. Or respond in general. If I responded or looked at my messages every time I got one, I'd never get work done... so I simply ignore them until I am taking a break or otherwise at a good stopping point. It's not that hard.
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by rriepe on Monday November 11, 2019 @02:48PM
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Between this and the memory complaints, I have to ask: Has anyone tried closing Slack?
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by bakuninsbart on Monday November 11, 2019 @05:00PM
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Oh hey, I am relevant for once. I moved to another city for university a while ago, but kept the job I had before as a half-time remote position. At first I felt extremely pressured through slack. People didnt know my exact schedule and would also write me on days off, and I felt like I should answer asap, because otherwise people would develop the idea that I slack off because I get to work remote.
Well, after a panic attack I changed my approach and asked my colleagues to write me mails instead or ask me on teams where I would only be online on certain days. Everybody just said sure, and work is finally fun again. I think I wasn't the only one either, more and more people started avoiding slack and only look into it maybe once a week.
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by crustacean on Monday November 11, 2019 @03:05PM
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At some companies you can get a negative performance review for not being on Slack during working hours. “Needs to be more responsive / better team player.” In other places you might be expected to be online beyond 9-5 too.
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by partyboat1586 on Monday November 11, 2019 @04:20PM
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It's difficult but I'd avoid places like that. If your team won't allow you to close slack for an hour you have serious communication and planning problems. Anywhere I've worked what I do is message anyone who might need vital information from me then just close slack for an hour, do my work and check back in. When I get pulled up on it I give my explanation about focus, communication etc. If they don't like it then I leave. I'm glad it's a seller's market.
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by Viliam1234 on Monday November 11, 2019 @05:36PM
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Once I was told by my manager to close Slack and focus on my work, and only check what's new about twice a day.
A week later, the same manager got angry at me for not responding to client's urgent issue which was announced by Slack an hour ago.
So... yeah, closing Slack improves things, until it suddenly makes them worse.
Re:Makers, Don't Let Yourself Be Forced into the 'Manager Sc...
by zentiggr on Monday November 11, 2019 @08:57PM
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Too bad those cases usually don't have an email history to prove the prior ruleset... or it just disappears and anything's possible...
Worked for that kind of team before. Never again.
It's not fool-proof by any means—you can still build up processes and expectations that lead to micromanagement if your managers or culture are so inclined—but it makes the default behavior of the team distinctly less oriented towards micromanagement. You'll waste a lot less time and energy worrying about optics if people being present at a particular place and time is not an obvious signal of dedication/hard work/whatever.