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Re:Nothing Matters by coldtea on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:49PM (#21488208)
>This is just flexing words to confuse your brain and assert his idea about God. I don't know the author, but anyone advocating for a God or a religion is a person 1. with an agenda and 2. can has no scientific basis for his thesis.

Yes, most of us have been atheist 15 year olds, we know the arguments...

>God, the one in Quran or Bible, doesn't exist. It's as simple as that. The same with morality; as dark as that thought is. We are just too weak to face the truth.

So, do you act morally when you're sure you're not gonna get caught? Do you try to do the right thing for others? For your kids? Why, since "morality doesn't exist"?

The truth is that we've built morality and so it exists. The universe might not care, but we do.

Re:Nothing Matters by nkrisc on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:59PM (#21488302)
> So, do you act morally when you're sure you're not gonna get caught? Do you try to do the right thing for others? For your kids? Why, since "morality doesn't exist"?

Yes. Because I have free will and chose to. In my experience, one's religious beliefs have no bearing on whether they act morally or not.

Re:Nothing Matters by coldtea on Saturday November 09, 2019 @11:28AM (#21492421)
For one, science doesn't really bode well for "free will". Free will presupposes a soul or some way for non-determinism to enter into the world.

Second, this "free will" choice is either random (so could go either way), or determined on some previous shaping of your character. In other words on a morality (didn't have to happen through specifical moral education, e.g. church lessons, could just be through example by your parent behavior etc. But it's still a morality).

Re:Nothing Matters by alasdair_ on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:54PM (#21488265)
>So, do you act morally when you're sure you're not gonna get caught? Do you try to do the right thing for others? For your kids? Why, since "morality doesn't exist"?

For fun basically. The game of life seems really easy to cheat at and so I self-impose some rules to make the game more interesting, just like I avoid using cheat codes in video games.

Also, slightly more seriously, no one is a perfect actor and to not act morally in private will absolutely spill out into one's public persona.

Re:Nothing Matters by csomar on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:57PM (#21488292)
> The truth is that we've built morality and so it exists.

We did but it is a concept not a physical thing. It's also relative from person to person and from a culture to another. It is not a truth.

Re:Nothing Matters by coldtea on Saturday November 09, 2019 @11:31AM (#21492433)
>We did but it is a concept not a physical thing

Which is neither here, nor there.

For one, concepts are also physical things (e.g. the correspond to chemical changes and neuron synapses in the brains on those knowing about them).

Second, even if abstract, concepts still affect the physical world by influencing actions.

Besides, nobody argued morality is a physical thing.

>It's also relative from person to person and from a culture to another. It is not a truth.

Physical things are also perceived differently rom person to person and from a culture to another. A dish might be great for one, but disgusting for another, for example.

Something being relative is opposed to it being absolute, not opposed to it being true.

E.g. if I say I love X, that is relative and personal. But my love can be true.

Re:Nothing Matters by SamReidHughes on Friday November 08, 2019 @11:25PM (#21489595)
> We did but it is a concept not a physical thing.

We actually don't know this. People have qualia, which is an unexplained physical phenomenon. It could be that the universe comes with some universal signal that twists the thought processes of all beings with qualia, so as to shape their feelings about moral questions, to align them with true universal morality.

Obviously, I just made this up, and even if it were true, maybe you'd call the signal false universal morality, but it could be a physical thing.