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Re:Nothing Matters by wilg on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:49PM (#21488206)
That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong. If you think that there is anything at all objective anywhere in the universe, then science is a good strategy for figuring that out.
Re:Nothing Matters by coldtea on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:52PM (#21488238)
>That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong.

And yet, that's not logically possible, as it's circular reasoning.

You basically take a principle of faith (e.g. regarding induction), and you combine it with an empirical method.

Re:Nothing Matters by wilg on Friday November 08, 2019 @07:03PM (#21488339)
I'm saying that if there are true things about the world to know, then science can help you figure out what they are.

If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science.

Re:Nothing Matters by coldtea on Saturday November 09, 2019 @11:26AM (#21492408)
>If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science.

There's nothing "true" and "false" about not defauding you/killing you/treating you like shit you if I'm to benefit from it.

Scientifically speaking it's just a cost/benefit calculation (e.g. whether I'd get caught or not).

Many people go for just that. We call them sociopaths. If we all started doing just that (and ignored moral principles), society would be chaos.

Science can't replace morallity, except in trivial cases.

Even if science says "it is true that society would be better if everybody did X" (e.g. didn't do X bad thing) that's still not enough of a basis for a morality.

Because for science it is also true individually that "If you can do X and know you wont have any negative backslash on you particularly, you can benefit from it".

Re:Nothing Matters by throw0101a on Friday November 08, 2019 @07:24PM (#21488473)
How does science determine whether genocide is right or wrong?
Re:Nothing Matters by wilg on Friday November 08, 2019 @07:51PM (#21488646)
We don't know yet whether we can figure that out with science.
Re:Nothing Matters by throw0101a on Monday November 11, 2019 @09:16AM (#21504952)
Yes, the belief that we must base all of our knowledge on science is itself a "religious" belief:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

* https://blog.apaonline.org/2018/01/25/the-problem-with-scien...