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Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by commandlinefan on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @02:46PM (#21466357)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Plus, you're now the guy who quit rather than being a "team player".
Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by munk-a on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @06:54PM (#21468924)
This philosophy and spreading it around is really terrible. It's not far off saying "Oh sure, you may be in an abusive relationship but if you leave it then you'll be in an abusive relationship but also now be sullied."

There are good employers out there, reject the trash and advocate for your self-worth.

Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by mc3 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:00PM (#21467948)
It's not really like that. And if it is, try a different city or even country.

My theory is, if you are not desperate for money and the job market is reasonably good - go into the later interview with specific probing questions about their processes and policies. They might reject you as being "not a team player" or whatever - but if they do then its probably not where you want to work anyway.

Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by eagsalazar2 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @02:54PM (#21466441)
Are we hearing "Quit" from people in the Bay Area and other hot tech spots where employees are in very high demand and everyone else with a more pessimistic view is in regions where there is a surplus of devs??

If you experience that type of treatment in Seattle, NYC, SF, etc you should quit immediately. That is not the norm and you don't have to put up with it. For everyone else, maybe remote gigs? People are killing each other for great devs in the biggest tech markets and most companies know they have to take care of employee happiness and culture to be competitive in hiring.

Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by commandlinefan on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @03:00PM (#21466518)
> People are killing each other for great devs

Well, if that’s true, there’s only one conclusion that the abused/unappreciated can draw: they (we) must not be that great.

Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by imesh on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @10:20PM (#21470109)
It's a hard thing to admit on an anonymous forum but I have never been a great dev. Just good enough to never get fired. Over half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me. The trick is to get them to think I'm a great dev during the interview stage.
Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by commandlinefan on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:01PM (#21476210)
> I have never been a great dev

Well, here’s the thing about that: if I measure myself against the expectations that are being put on me, I’m orders of magnitude short. Compared to the expectations put on everybody who carries the title “programmer”, I’m not even qualified to be in the same room as one. But who’s setting those expectations? Not other programmers. Certainly not anybody who could walk over, roll up their sleeves and say, “See? Here’s how easy it is. Just do it like that next time.” No, these expectations come from “project management professionals” who cringe at the thought of typing a formula in to Excel. These expectations come from people who attended a two-week seminar on managing programmer “resources” and whose sole contribution to the practice of developing software is asking “are you done yet? Why not? Are you the one who’s stupid, or is it somebody else who’s stupid?”

> half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me

Really, though, how do you measure that? If you have the self-awareness and humility to consider that it’s possible that somebody might be better than you, you also have the introspective capability to improve - which makes you better than a lot of the people out there.

Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by wnkrshm on Thursday November 07, 2019 @09:35AM (#21473519)
How did you pull that off?
Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by wutbrodo on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:19PM (#21467439)
I don't think that's true. That level of abuse is substantially outside the norm.
Re:In Praise of the 5-Hour Workday and Other ‘Radical’ Ideas by oarabbus_ on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @04:35PM (#21467639)
The experience described is well out of the ordinary. So I'd disagree here.