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Re:How to Steal a Billion by rayiner on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:28PM (#21464745)
> People focus on billionaires due to the fact that they are the most stark representation of the deeply unequal society in which they live. Wealth inequality is very real, please refer to the following: https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2019/august/wealth-ine.... It's a rhetorical device

It's a rhetorical device that distracts from real problems and real solutions. Look at Warren's wealth tax proposal. It's blatantly unconstitutional and without precedent in the OECD. And what's the upshot? Just $275 billion in revenue per year. Compared to the $1 trillion or more we could raise by implementing a VAT, like every other OECD country has, or bringing payroll taxes in line with other OECD countries.

Focusing on billionaires also distracts from the nature of our "deeply unequal society." Look at the U.S. income distribution: https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-... https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/fair-share-top-400-us-taxpaye....

The top 400 taxpayers earned $127 billion in 2014, let's say an even $150 billion in 2018. There were 70 million returns filed by the bottom 50%. If you took all billionaires' income and redistributed it among the bottom 50%, they'd have about $2,000 a year more, or a bit more than 10%. But look at the top 50% minus the top 1%. (Even Sanders considers the 98th percentile to be "middle class" given his tax plan wouldn't raise taxes on people with household incomes under $250,000.) They have $7 trillion in income, versus about $1.1 trillion in income for the bottom half. If you want to talk about income inequality, that's the root of it. And that's the most significant kind of income inequality in terms of impact on peoples' daily lives. Billionaires aren't the ones driving up housing prices in urban neighborhoods and driving out people of color. Billionaires also aren't the ones that would be directly affected by the increases in VAT and payroll taxes that would be required to move to a more European model of taxation and public services.

If you took all personal income ($10 trillion) and divided it evenly among all filers (140 million), you get about $71,000. If you or your household make more than that, you benefit from inequality.

> So the group of people who leverage capital to sustain themselves and don't have to work have lower net income than the group of people who have to work to have a roof over their head?

Zuckerberg doesn't work? Buffet doesn't work? Kylie Jenner doesn't work?

> I love how these numbers increasingly grow.

The $50 trillion number was calculated by Warren's own experts: https://assets.ctfassets.net/4ubxbgy9463z/2Tg9oB55ICu2vtYBaK... (linked from: https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/paying-for-m4a)

Credit to Warren, her analysis doesn't assume that Medicare for All will result in massive cost savings, which I think is highly unlikely given the American political system.

Re:How to Steal a Billion by ianleeclark on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:33PM (#21464808)
> Zuckerberg doesn't work? Buffet doesn't work? Kylie Jenner doesn't work? > don't have to work

One of these things is not like the other. Don't be so slippery, please.