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Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by windsurfer on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:39AM (#21453971)
May I ask why you wouldn't be able to charge it at home? It is my understanding that most people simply charge their electric cars overnight, much like their phones.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by Vysero on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:52AM (#21454123)
Perhaps I am in the minority but my home is an apartment complex so I park in the parking lot. There are no chargers in the parking lot.

Either way (I could be wrong) I don't think you can just plug it into a 120V outlet to get a charge.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by dmix on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:58AM (#21454192)
No thats the biggest problem for most buyers living in apartment buildings in urban areas. It's still quite rare to find chargers in underground parking lots.

That's what prevented me from buying one as well. I didn't want to have to go wait in line at one of the few public chargers in my city.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by tgsovlerkhgsel on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:10PM (#21457298)
> I don't think you can just plug it into a 120V outlet to get a charge.

A 120V/15A outlet will deliver 1.8 kW. Assuming "overnight" means 12 hours, you can charge ~21 kWh, about 80 miles in a Model 3. Probably enough to keep it topped off after your daily commute/driving. (Edit: apparently 15A means 12A, so a bit less)

Some employers also offer EV charging spots.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by Tushon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:08PM (#21454300)
I think that there will be a shift in the provided capabilities of places like apartments in the near-ish future that will address this problem. More people will own electric cars, and either charge them at parking garages at work, and their homes/apartments will be retro-fitted. Probably won't be free, but the removed gas cost should well offset it on an individual level.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by dawnerd on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:18PM (#21454387)
I use my 120v outlet in my garage and it keeps the battery charged up enough - granted I'm not maxing out the range every day either. Takes about 13 hours to charge from half way.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by Vysero on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:31PM (#21454527)
Interesting, I didn't know that. WELL perhaps I just need to search for a lot with a 120V outlet and browse for a used electric car. If I can find a lot which I can walk to in a relatively short amount of time from my home, I would be alright with that.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by pound on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:40PM (#21454613)
And you're right with not maxing out the range daily - it's bad for the battery. Something like 30/40% to 70/80% SoC range is the best
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by windsurfer on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:16PM (#21454373)
You can top up using a 120v wall outlet. People using Tesla cars report around 40-50 km for an 8 hour charge.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by close04 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:01PM (#21454232)
You can but with a standard 120V (12/15A) outlet you'd spend days charging an EV with a large battery. Anything that takes more than 8-10 hours is not really a feasible option. A 240V outlet can be 32A which would be a lot more reasonable in terms of charging time.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by pound on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:35PM (#21454564)
it adds about 5 miles per hour for model 3. So after charging overnight it would be at least 50 miles of range added. And this is enough for many.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by close04 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @08:16PM (#21458803)
Which is still very slow, as I said above. The fact that you can get a tenth of the battery charge after a full night is not fast by any measure. Consider that our driving habits have been formed around getting hundreds of Km/mi worth of range in minutes. And if a gas pump would only fill 6 liters at a time nobody in the world would say “well it’s still more than most people need”.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by llampx on Thursday November 07, 2019 @02:04PM (#21476238)
The conversation completely changes as you're not going to a gas station to fill up, you're parking your car at home or plugging it in while you shop. You have fast charging on the highway which, at least for the more powerful ones, can fill you up to 80% in 40 minutes.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by vkou on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:46AM (#21454054)
My apartment building does not have, and by my best guess, will never have car chargers in its parking garage.

And I'm lucky enough to have a parking garage. At least ~70% of the people living in my area park on the street, where there are... Also no chargers.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by hannasanarion on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @11:57AM (#21454183)
Have you considered asking them if they would install one? They aren't that expensive, only about $1000 bucks, and I think there are some federal subsidies.

With a service like Chargepoint, there is no cost to the landlord at all. They have a brochure you can print out on their website.

Failing that you can park near a regular 120v outlet and use level 1 charging, which fills up most cars in about 8 hours.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by madengr on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:35PM (#21454561)
The federal tax credit ended in tax year 2018. I installed two Open EVSE in my garage, and ran a 100 amp sub-panel. I did all the work myself and was able to claim about $300 of the tax credit; can't claim own labor so it was all materials. Even then, the credit was capped at $1k.

The EVSE run between $500 - $1000. Add in the cost of a residential electrician, and I'm estimating $3k total. If it's commercial, then double that. If you have to trench and do concrete work, double it again. Get into a ROW with other utilities, even worse. It gets expensive really fast.

The level 1 charger for my 24 kW*H Leaf says 24 hours for a full charge. Forget about it for a Tesla.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by close04 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:11PM (#21454323)
> a regular 120v outlet and use level 1 charging, which fills up most cars in about 8 hours

A regular 120V outlet is 15A at best (usually 12A). That's barely enough to charge a PHEV in 8h, let alone a BEV. Practical example [0]:

> connected to a 240V outlet, the onboard 7.7kW charger should take the battery from 0-100% SoC in 2 hours 25 min. (A 120V charge will take a bit longer at just over 16.5 hours.)

[0] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/10/on-the-road-with-audis-...

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by pound on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:46PM (#21454677)
I'd clarify that regular outlet is _usually_ 15A. 12A is what car will be drawing as this is continuous load (should be 80%, code requirements). Quite often breaker behind that 120V outlet is 20A one.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by C1sc0cat on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:25PM (#21454470)
1 The US grid is "in need of improvement" see California

2 Not everyone lives in a house with of street parking

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by smileysteve on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @12:37PM (#21454576)
As this is in the context of Montana,

1. not every part of the U.S. grid is in dire need of improvement, most homes have access to 240v most of the time. (with the exception of the 1 state that has assigned fire damages to their utility. And, most vehicles are charged at night, outside of peak demand. (also, the Tesla wall was a technology that further decreased demand on the grid)

2. Most of Montana is going to have off street parking, be it a barn or garage (and with at least 120v) mostly by the necessity that sub zero temperatures ~2 months of the year freezing anti-freeze, batteries -- and that you can't use an ice scraper to scrape off feet of snow.

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by C1sc0cat on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @06:44AM (#21461575)
"most" of the time - I think you don't realise how bad this is compared to say the UK or France or Germany
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by smileysteve on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:43AM (#21462420)
Sorry, for states other than California, this year, that should say all of the the time; And part of why every house is wired for 240 is because our dryers and hvacs all use 240.
Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by C1sc0cat on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:20AM (#21462800)
True but the equivalent of that else where is the 415 V cooker circuit.

All the mains sockets in uk houses are 240v - this is whey you never see an electric kettle in US homes

Re:German government expands subsidies for electric cars by smileysteve on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @11:49AM (#21464298)
We're really conflating apples and oranges here as the voltage is only half the equation;

By code, US 2 phase (120x2 == 240) is going to be wired with lower gauge wire to provide more overall electricity. Typically, the 240v is going to be capable of providing 600 total amps (though there are cases where 400amp is served); with a typical breaker at 30 or 40 amps. compared to a triple 415 providing 8 or 15amps.