Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Global Warming

Re:Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Glo... by thaumasiotes on Monday November 04, 2019 @10:38AM (#21442597)

> It was a total bullshit scare! But it was a scare that led to a big push in getting away from fossil fuels. So still, it was a good thing. Ends justify the means.

When this kind of thinking is common, though, you lose the ability to engage at all with people who might not believe that "getting away from fossil fuels" is valuable as an end in itself.[1]

Is it valuable for other reasons? Certainly not any reasons that might come out of your mouth.

[1] Which, frankly, should be everyone. What kind of terminal goal is that?

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Re:Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Glo... by corodra on Monday November 04, 2019 @10:57AM (#21442779)

I'm not saying it's right.

I'm saying it's effective.

If you say the right thing but people still do the wrong thing... who cares?

If you say the wrong thing, but people do the right thing, is that bad?

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Re:Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Glo... by kbutler on Monday November 04, 2019 @11:34AM (#21443232)

If you say the wrong thing, and people call you on it, and you demonize them and call up the mobs against them for it, then yes, it's bad.

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Re:Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Glo... by bumby on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:00PM (#21445089)

The "ends justify the means" mentality has been the cause of many (most?) atrocities in history because it takes the assumption that one side just knows what's right without being able to recognize our own fallibility

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Re:Flood of Oil Is Coming, Complicating Efforts to Fight Glo... by prepend on Monday November 04, 2019 @11:13AM (#21442940)

Is it effective? I think there’s some confounding factors involved. For all we know the narrative made it worse and kept us on oil longer because companies tried to pump faster and drove prices down.

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