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Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by galaxyLogic on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:50PM (#21438606)
How about this idea: Mix ping-pong balls with concrete. It becomes much lighter then. Because it is lighter it can much more easily support the weight of the (similar) concrete structures above it. Just a thought has anyone tried such a thing?
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by newnewpdro on Sunday November 03, 2019 @11:52PM (#21439134)
Mike Reynolds [0] of "Garbage Warrior" and "Earthship" fame has been reusing empty plastic waste bottles in a similar fashion for decades. The cement forms a matrix around vacancies created by the bottles which become a permanent part of the structure.

He's also used aluminum cans and glass bottles in a similar fashion. Colored glass bottles can produce visual results resembling stained glass, it's interesting.

But these are hand laid like brick laying, so not quite what you're thinking with the ping-pong balls.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Reynolds_(architect)

Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by casparz on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:19AM (#21439399)
They already do, with mixed results. This[1] is a coverage of a collaps of a parking structure in the city of Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Although it appears the plastic-ball filled concrete was not the cause, but they way they incorporated it into the building was. 1. https://www.newcivilengineer.com/archive/technical-cause-of-...
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by marcusverus on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:58PM (#21438643)
Two issues: 1) unequal dispersion of the balls could create super weak spots that are mostly empty space. I'm not sure how engineers could use a material where the structural integrity isn't consistent. 2) If water ever penetrated the swiss-cheesyness of the concrete in freezing weather, you'd be in big trouble.
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by disillusioned on Sunday November 03, 2019 @10:34PM (#21438823)
Yeah, this is already a nightmare with rebar in reinforced concrete. Just imagine actual ping pong ball sized voids filling with moisture. Swiss cheese, indeed.
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by galaxyLogic on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @10:51PM (#21470245)
But it wouldn't be holes, it would be water-tight ping-pong balls.
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by BurningFrog on Sunday November 03, 2019 @10:58PM (#21438912)
OK, what if you carefully place the balls in a regular pattern?
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by beerandt on Monday November 04, 2019 @09:51AM (#21442132)
Imagine placing ping pong balls in a regular pattern in the bottom of an empty swimming pool, then filling it up with water.
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by BurningFrog on Monday November 04, 2019 @10:58AM (#21442789)
You'd have to secure them in place. Perhaps with a metal grid.
Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by beerandt on Monday November 04, 2019 @03:52PM (#21446386)
Sure it's doable, it just makes the task that much more difficult. Plus you need to ensure there are no unintentional voids from the balls blocking the pour. Code requires that they can't be within 1-2 inches of any steel or the surface of the concrete.

Also, most designs assume a uniform cross section, and changing that greatly complicates the design method.

And remember that the laborers doing this don't always understand (or care) about these sort of restrictions.

It's usually cheaper and less risky to just use a lightweight mix, with injected air, if needed.

Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by jaclaz on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @10:53AM (#21453445)
It is rather common for slabs to be made lighter by embedding in the concrete pipes (usually either plastic or metal/tin) or actual "pockets" (think of large - usually plastic - largish and squarish containers). Here is a photo of a commercial solution:

https://www.geoplastglobal.com/en/products/slabs/new-nautilu...

There is also an as well already available commercial solution using "balls":

https://www.cobiax.com/intl/produkte/cobiax-el/

similar to the "bubbledeck" technology used in Eindhoven:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voided_biaxial_slab

Anyway these are basically an evolution (involution?) of "waffle slabs":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_slab

Re:Rubber concrete that self-seals and is cheaper and more e... by DreamSpinner on Monday November 04, 2019 @06:09PM (#21447692)
Thinking bit more generically, you might be really thinking about concrete with air pockets (though ensuring they're spherical might make for excellent load distribution through the side walls). There are already concrete variants called Aerated Concrete and Foam Concrete where bubbles are formed inside the concrete, resulting in a lighter product, though with different structural properties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoclaved_aerated_concrete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_concrete