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Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by rayiner on Sunday November 03, 2019 @12:50PM (#21435374)
The tone is accusatory because usually there is a classist dimension to the question. Why does a high income tech worker vote Democrat when that would cause her own taxes to go up? The question implies noble intent on the part of the tech worked: because it’s better for society as a whole. We don’t extend that charitable interpretation to the blue collar worker in Iowa. Why do they vote Republican even though Democrats are promising them government benefits? We don’t charitably assume it’s because they believe it’s better for the country in the long run. We assume it’s because they’re easily manipulated or too dumb to understand what’s in their own interest.
Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by ajross on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:00PM (#21435439)
OK, agreed, both sides have ample ability to manufacture outrage (I mean, come on: no one serious actually expresses the outrageous contempt you're imagining, that's 100% interpretation) over takes like this. I just don't see why it's remotely as asymmetric as you think it is. You don't think lefty folks get offended too?
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Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by dlp211 on Sunday November 03, 2019 @02:01PM (#21435823)
"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case – and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time." We are living in a volatile political environment.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but — he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

-Hillary Clinton

Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by nec4b on Saturday November 09, 2019 @08:15AM (#21491322)
That is even worse than I thought. You were lucky she didn't get elected.
Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by jki275 on Monday November 04, 2019 @08:11AM (#21441269)
Oh sorry, it was half of the people who don't agree with her.

What she was doing was clearly trying to paint any idiot who would vote for trump as racist, xxist, "deplorable" people -- just as I said.

Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by perl4ever on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:05PM (#21438376)
According to the quote I've seen, she called "half" of Trump's supporters deplorable. I think it's clear in hindsight that essentially all of them supported the things she was deploring, which is why it was a bad move, but she wasn't claiming that.
Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by jki275 on Monday November 04, 2019 @09:46PM (#21449129)
No, it's clear in hindsight that the statement was false then and is still false now.

You have demonized anyone who doesn't support left wing ideology to the point that nobody wants to talk to you about it anymore. There are probably many trump supporters working with you that you'll never know about.

Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by perl4ever on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:00PM (#21469401)
I'm working for state government, and every one of my co-workers is a woman, and my boss, and my bosses' boss. Also, they're union members, and some of them belong to a coven.

Also also, nobody wants to talk to me about right wing ideology? Well, https://xkcd.com/810/

...but seriously, nobody I know wants to talk about the president, practically since the election, but it's obvious when someone is following the latest talking point of the right. Like right now in NY with the bail reform.

Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by rayiner on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:21PM (#21435557)
Don’t forget how they “cling to their guns and religion.”
Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by maxerickson on Sunday November 03, 2019 @12:59PM (#21435432)
I mean, I've heard blue collar workers ranting about how they finally got someone like Trump in to clean up Washington and now that "bitch Nancy Pelosi" is all over him.

That's not a nuanced "better for the country" discussion.

It was a real discussion, in a real factory, not a fake discussion in a fake coffee shop.

Re:Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their... by rayiner on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:05PM (#21435463)
“Better for the country” doesn’t have to be “nuanced.” “The best thing for America is god, guns, and capitalism” is not nuanced. It is, ultimately, an expression of values based on a belief about what will enhance national prosperity.

(I could recount “real discussions” with folks in northern Virginia growing up, where they express sneering contempt for the folks in the “rest of Virginia.” I don’t think that’s relevant. Obviously race and class play a role in political disputes in the US. That doesn’t excuse making assumptions about why entire groups of people vote the way they do.)