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Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by pavel_lishin on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:36AM (#21434077)
> good enough data to predict what kind of stuff you buy.

Then why are the ads that _do_ sneak through my adblockers or onto Instagram, etc., such hot, moist garbage? Is it just a lack of people wanting to advertise at my demographic?

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by checkyoursudo on Sunday November 03, 2019 @12:18PM (#21435146)
I have been suspicious for a while that all of these companies that claim to know everything about us, or people who are afraid that these companies know everything about us, are wrong.

I don't feel like I am unusual in any way, as in I can't see how I have any natural, dumb-luck defense against any of this tracking. If companies like Google, Amazon, FB, etc, are in any way really trying to use what they think they know about me to get me to buy stuff or influence my thoughts or behaviour, then they seem to be doing a really, really bad job of it.

As far as privacy goes, my concern is far more focused on apps/programs stealing my photos of my kids, or tracking me around town, or knowing who I meet and talk to.

As far as predicting my future behaviour, I have not been impressed so far.

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by furi on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:36PM (#21435670)
There was a point a year or two ago where everyone was recounting these stories of how AI targeted advertising was terrifyingly accurate, it could tell you were pregnant before you found out for yourself, etc. At the time I was routinely opening YouTube with cookies disabled and getting suggested YouTube generated categories with a super low hit rate, stuff like "Recipes" that would be filled with nothing but general interest food videos (i.e. "you won't believe what we found at this market", "we made the largest burrito ever", never with any instructions), "Metal Music" containing a single acoustic cover a metal song and half a dozen EDM tracks or "Role Playing Games" stocked to the brim with Fortnite videos.

I just checked now and it's better than it was but there's still a "DIY" category containing one DIY video, a Japanese cooking tutorial and a video of somebody putting iPads in a bucket of slime. I'm not sure I have very much faith in their ability to deeply infer things about me from a limited dataset when they can't identify videos with ingredients in the description or sort music into genres given the set of all music (and millions of comments on it) to work with.

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by cpeterso on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:30PM (#21435630)
If you use Twitter, you can see the list of your supposed interests they have inferred from your activity on their own site. They have so much firsthand user data, but my results at least are so bad. Of almost a thousand topics, less than half are even remotely relevant to me. My supposed interests include people I've blocked, keywords I've muted, and non sequiturs like "cake", "water", and "hello".

https://twitter.com/settings/your_twitter_data/twitter_inter...

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by wolfoftheweb on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:08PM (#21435474)
If you use Chrome, check out the "How your ads are personalized" page. It gives you a glimpse of how accurate Google's targeting is based on all the data they've collected.

I went to a great Google Fireside Chat with Michal Kosinski on data privacy. He said that the only way to get around big data is to spread misinformation. Chose the opposite of your tastes, search for things you don't like, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUwBcTgzbtU

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by Joe8Bit on Sunday November 03, 2019 @11:11AM (#21434676)
Several reasons:

Many large, higher quality ad buyers (agencies and direct sold) can get enough return from non-greyarea inventory like this. There's no point in them taking (even a small) perceived risk of buying this grey market inventory.

However, they likely do use this tracking data second or third hand via their third party data providers brokering and including it in larger data sets they use for cross site targeting via DMPs.

Finally, there's simple economics: people who go through enough effort to block trackers and other things are (perceived) to be less likely to engage with ads (e.g. they see it as you do, when one 'slips through'). So there's no point in paying $$$ for those eyeballs.

All of this in combination means you get low quality, barrel bottoms ads.

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by alexbanks on Sunday November 03, 2019 @11:32AM (#21434819)
People forget (or just never knew) that tracking and ad-serving isn't necessarily about giving every screenviewer the best possible ads you can all the time. Inventory and return on ad spend are both big factors in determining where to spend. The tracking enables ad placement companies to know that even with the best possible ad (which cost inventory to place), specific users just will not engage. And if that's true, why spend that ad on that person?
Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by Joe8Bit on Sunday November 03, 2019 @04:19PM (#21436680)
There’s a whole chain of companies who have financial incentives to maximise spend through their platforms. They’ll place creatives in ad units with impressions they know are low quality based on needing to fulfil fill rates and volume.

It’s pretty shitty and unethical, but welcome to to add tech!

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by soumyadeb on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:44AM (#21434116)
Ad re-targeting (showing products you browsed) is generally cookie based I would think and adblockers block that. Anything other than re-targeting is anyway too broad and generally crap for me - even on Facebook which knows a lot I would think. Other data vendors are totally crap.

You can check your BlueKai profile here https://datacloudoptout.oracle.com/registry/

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by madenine on Sunday November 03, 2019 @01:52PM (#21435772)
probably. Also - lazy ad buys.

There's human effort involved in planning a micro targeting campaign. Way easier (and short-term cheaper) to do some broad strokes ads with a couple ok-ish proxies for your target market than pay people that know what they're doing. So your conversion rates are garbage and CAC higher than it could be, but your spending is on the action instead of front-loaded on salaries/agency fees.

Re:Ask HN: How prevalent is non-cookie-based web tracking to... by itronitron on Sunday November 03, 2019 @12:45PM (#21435340)
> good enough data to predict what kind of stuff you buy.

the only time these are ever close is when they are based on users' previous search terms