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Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by TaylorAlexander on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:40PM (#21425558)
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting we should not criticize our employers when they do things we don't like? Should we not complain when a company aids foreign censorship or hides from the public masses the true nature of its data collection?

And in truth its hard to live today without participating in some atrocity, and is that very idea not worth discussing? The gasoline in your car came at great costs both past and future, the cops keep killing innocent people, the US has more slaves now than it did at the peak of the slave trade, we don't own our data and governments are in the collection game, and on and on.

There's plenty worth speaking out against.

Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by chii on Friday November 01, 2019 @11:21PM (#21425681)
> the US has more slaves now than it did at the peak of the slave trade

i find that highly implausible. Unless you're equating "wage" slavery to chattel slavery.

Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by TaylorAlexander on Saturday November 02, 2019 @12:25AM (#21425885)
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by geofft on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:13PM (#21425477)
Er, the employees here are emphatically not leaving their jobs. If consciences are a good thing and worth listening to (which, I admit, there seems to be some debate about), the world is a lot better off when people work at $company_that_does_bad_things and object to bad things internally, and when they live in $nation_that_does_bad_things and vote. Otherwise you're architecting a society where consciences are systematically ignored.
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by seibelj on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:17PM (#21425488)
So you are saying that someone who works for a company, or lives in a country, that makes a decision you disagree with, is not immediately tainted and evil by association?

This is a nuanced opinion that I will have to think about for quite sometime. I was about to tweet a pithy comment, but now I’m aware that complexities exist that 140 characters won’t summarize.

Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by TaylorAlexander on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:41PM (#21425565)
You're so thick with the sarcasm. Who are you angry at?
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by panic on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:32PM (#21425534)
The situations are very different. Most software engineers at Google could easily quit their jobs, but most Americans can't easily quit being American.
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by rhcom2 on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:38PM (#21425547)
"Yet you participate in society, curious!"
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by Trias11 on Friday November 01, 2019 @11:24PM (#21425693)
>> It’s amazing how everyone doesn’t renounce their American citizenship

IRS makes it very difficult and expensive to do so. After all US citizenship obligates you to file and pay taxes on your worldwide income and IRS is not really happy to let entrepreneurs off the hook that easy.

Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by dr0verride on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:40PM (#21425562)
Since it's so difficult to solve all social issues we shouldn't waste any effort trying. There's no ponit in having morals or even independent thought if we're being honest.
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by tantalor on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:08PM (#21425456)
It's amazing how anyone can resist eating children given rampant hunger.
Re:Some Employees Chafe as Google’s New Internal Rules Take ... by joecot on Friday November 01, 2019 @10:57PM (#21425606)
There's a saying in various anti-capitalist (Marxist, Socialist, etc) communities: there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism. No matter what you buy, just by existing in a Capitalist system, you are enabling exploitation and immoral behavior. It's built in and there's no way to avoid it.

That observation means the opposite of what it seems on the tin: since it's a given that any consumption under Capitalism is unethical, it's pointless to just continuously beat yourself up about how unethical it is. But since we live under the system for now, do the best you can given what you have. That isn't, however, an open invitation to ignore the consequences of your purchases. It doesn't mean buy Chik-Fil-A sandwiches guilt-free when there are less exploitative options available.

The converse is also true -- there is no ethical business under capitalism. No matter what business you work for or run, it's going to be to some extent exploitative by definition. Do the best you can. If you have to work at one of the big corps to move your career forward, that doesn't make you a hypocrit. But when you have the choice to support a less exploitative corporation, to support a more moral small business instead of an immoral large one, take it. If you have to work in an exploitative company, and you have avenues to change them for the better, take them. And while the tech industry is full of exploitative large corporations, and small startups who would happily exploit whoever they need to make their VC funders happy, make the best choices you can. Sure, there's no way to be ethical and work for those big tech companies. But it makes no sense to chastise their employees as hypocrites for making the best choices they can and push for progress.