But what is the trend? Is whatever you claim like acknowledgement valuable in terms of real world effect? What are the statistics on men's health? What if acknowledgment isn't a solution?

As to your second part - is sort of see the back and forth like this .

You "We are supporting men who are carers"

Me "What about men who aren't carers?"

You "perhaps look into being carers"

This is the opposite of an empowerment message. You're saying if they want support they must conform to being you.

I don't want anything from you sir. You represent no one and nothing. I was merely contradicting your statements that the two things you mentioned are being done for men, when in fact they're being done to men.

What do I want from you? To acknowledge that becoming carers and being acknowledged as having mental issues isn't a solution for anyone.

Who is it that is doing this to men? Who is it that is attacking you? Who is it that you hate?

And also : you say you don't want anything from me, and then you say you want me to acknowledge your pain? The first step here is for you to acknowledge that you are in pain, you are distressed, and you need some help.

You have seriously misread something.

I dont want you to acknowledge pain, I want you to acknowledge that your initial statement was wrong.

Your emoting at me there wasn't really part of intelligent discussion.

I am sorry, but I am right, you are wrong. Your reported perception and reaction to my comment is the sign of mental distress.

Reading this discussion convinces me you are in need of help. I urge you to get it from a professional before you hurt someone.