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Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by KyeRussell on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:47PM (#21415294)
K.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by tomschlick on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:50PM (#21415308)
Glad to see reasonable discussion is still alive and well on HN. /s
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by heyoni on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:02PM (#21415372)
There are plenty of good rebuttals you’ve conveniently missed. Also, 300k/year was the maximum in 2000.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by tomschlick on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:09PM (#21415414)
> There are plenty of good rebuttals you’ve conveniently missed.

I got 5 replies in a span of 5 minutes. I can't respond that fast with the detail and nuance of my positions.

> Also, 300k/year was the maximum in 2000.

And now we are up to 500k last year, and another 950k this year. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by heyoni on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:35PM (#21415559)
Yep, we’re having a record year but it’s been much lower for the last 20 years (going by memory).
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by tomschlick on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:39PM (#21415578)
And both sides have been claiming it has been a problem for all of those years. Every president since Regan has talked about the problems at the border and Congress has done barely anything to both enforce the laws, and make the system smoother for immigrants.
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Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract by tomschlick on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:06PM (#21415397)
> it seems reasonable to me to assume anyone arguing in their favor is arguing in bad faith and disengage.

I'm not arguing in their favor. I would like nothing more than for us to have strong border control and a functional immigration system that isn't overloaded with false asylum claims so that the real ones can get through. We definitely need to overhaul things like the H1B programs as well.

My argument here is that no country's immigration system could handle this type of steady influx of 100k+ people per month [1] exploiting the asylum claims. Many of which only claim such after they illegally cross (yes i know you can technically claim whenever, but that's mighty convenient after crossing illegally).

The systems were not built for this kind of thing. Basically under current law you have the choice to detain people until their asylum case is heard or release them on their own recognizance inside the country and hope they return for court. The family separation thing has happened because of a court ruling saying that kids and adults couldn't be detained together because of abuse concerns. If the same thing happened to Canada their systems would be in shambles just like ours. There needs to be a mixture of border security and fixes to immigration law to remedy this problem but none of that can happen while Congress sits on it's hands playing politics.

[1] https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration