Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by lovehashbrowns on Thursday October 31, 2019 @06:46PM
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The words you use have an effect on how others feel and how they're perceived. The word "illegals" can have negative connotations, and it's a dehumanizing word.
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Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by swebs on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:28PM
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The word has negative connotations because you're describing a very negative thing. If you suddenly decide to use a new word, it will also inevitably develop negative connotations.
Stephen Pinker explains it well:
https://stevenpinker.com/files/pinker/files/1994_04_03_newyo...
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by vinay427 on Saturday November 02, 2019 @03:04AM
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Thanks for mentioning this, it was definitely worth a read. For a rather more legible version for anyone else interested: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-04-06-19940962...
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by smsm42 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:19PM
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It has negative connotations because it describes the act that is against the law. That's literally what "illegal" means. If you think it's OK to violate the law, then the connotations would be positive, if you do not, then the negative connotations are appropriate. You can't have it both ways.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by lovehashbrowns on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:54PM
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It's not due to the definition, it's because of how the word has been used. There are terms which refer to undocumented immigrants which still represent their status, but are not dehumanizing.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by smsm42 on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:51PM
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If a person breaks the law, it is completely correct to say they broke the law. Going out of one's way to hide that fact because stating the facts is somehow "dehumanizing" is a political propaganda exercise, which tries to present (some) laws as something insignificant and barely worth mentioning, and people that consider following these laws important as somehow irrational, and more than once in this very topic - irrational, hateful and racist. I can see why you want to go through this political exercise, but I have absolutely no reason to follow you.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by sneak on Thursday November 07, 2019 @11:12AM
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In the United States, literally everyone breaks the law. Calling someone “illegal” as if their identity is defined by something done by literally every single member of society is just a thin veil over the wish to dehumanize the vast and terrifying Other.
By your logic, you are also “an illegal”, because you, too, have broken the law. Everyone is.
But you don’t use it this way. You use it exclusively to define foreigners as bad, as if the law’s opinion about a person’s actions is relevant to their identity.
Actions are illegal. People are not.
Re:GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract
by burfog on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:59AM
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These supposed "undocumented immigrants" are not generally undocumented. Nearly all of them have documents. Of course, those documents might use your social security number.
This being the case, the situation is generally one of fraud. Some states consider all cases of identity theft to be felonies, while other states can charge the crime either way.