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Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by comex on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:19PM (#21393771)
Link to the actual complaint (PDF):

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6532395/WhatsApp-...

Always annoys me when news reports leave that out.

Edit: IANAL, but quick take: WhatsApp might succeed, but their case would be much stronger if they had one or more of the victims as co-plaintiffs. As it is:

- Their CFAA claim can only cover unauthorized access to WhatsApp’s servers – but NSO didn’t hack those servers; the servers just fulfilled their normal job of acting as a relay for WhatsApp messages, except in this case the messages were designed to exploit other clients. A victim would be able to sue over unauthorized access to their phone itself. (WhatsApp does also have the terms-of-service complaint though.)

- WhatsApp can only seek damages for reputational harm the hacks caused to the company itself - not any kind of harm to the victims. However, they’re also seeking an injunction preventing NSO from continuing to exploit WhatsApp, which might be more interesting than damages if they can get it.

Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by sterlind on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @11:08PM (#21394347)
> Their CFAA claim can only cover unauthorized access to WhatsApp’s servers – but NSO didn’t hack those servers; the servers just fulfilled their normal job of acting as a relay for WhatsApp messages,

By that logic a website provider wouldn't have standing if they suffered an XSS attack (though any affected users would), which is interesting.

IANAL, but it looks like the CFAA defines offenses in terms of the "protected computer" that was accessed - for instance, unauthorized access to that computer, or stealing information from that computer, or damages that computer.

That seems weird, but the alternative would be weirder: if every computer in the chain were a violation, the ISP for each hop of the network connection would have standing together. It's hard to make a case that WhatsApp is different from a regular router which might also pass malicious messages.

Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by meowface on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @05:35AM (#21395902)
That's debatable. Also, it depends if it's persistent, reflected, or DOM-based XSS. Persistent XSS would be more likely to be considered an attack against the server/application, though I could see the counterargument as well. Reflected could go either way, and DOM-based would be the least likely to be considered a server attack.
Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by snagglegaggle on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:04AM (#21394814)
> Their CFAA claim can only cover unauthorized access to WhatsApp’s servers – but NSO didn’t hack those servers;

Walking into an unlocked building is still breaking and entering. This is why people are tried for recording information but technically accessible but unauthorized-for-access pages.

Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by comex on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:47AM (#21395173)
> Walking into an unlocked building is still breaking and entering.

Yes, if you weren't authorized to be in the building. But this is more like... walking into an open store and then punching another customer. You didn't exceed your access to the store; you just used your authorized access to do something the store owner wouldn't want you to do (and which constitutes a crime and a tort against someone else). That's not trespassing. However, if the store owner noticed, they could then tell you to leave, at which point remaining in the store would be trespassing.

Does the same apply to the CFAA? Well, it's not entirely clear. There's been a spate of precedents in the last decade, the most recent from just last month, and, well... they're a bit of a mess, including a circuit split which will have to be resolved by the Supreme Court eventually [2], and even within the Ninth Circuit, a "zigzagg[ing]" series of decisions [1] with ambiguous dividing lines.

In particular, unlike in the store analogy, NSO had to agree to a ToS before using WhatsApp, which NSO then violated. That definitely gives WhatsApp a claim for breach of contract. But do actions that violate a ToS also automatically "exceed authorized access" and give WhatsApp a CFAA claim? Not according to Ninth Circuit precedent, but potentially yes according to other circuits' precedents.

That said, many of those precedents turned on the question of whether it makes sense to apply a "hacking" statute to something that's clearly not hacking. In this case, there undoubtedly is hacking involved, and the court may not draw as fine distinctions as I have regarding what exactly was being hacked.

By the way, like in the store analogy, WhatsApp could notify NSO that they're banned from accessing their service altogether, and ignoring that would result in a CFAA violation according to Ninth Circuit precedent. And indeed it seems that WhatsApp has banned NSO now. But they apparently didn't do so prior to the conduct the lawsuit complains about, so that isn't a factor in this case.

[1] (about Ninth Circuit precedent) https://reason.com/2019/09/09/scraping-a-public-website-does...

[2] (about circuit split) https://technology.findlaw.com/modern-law-practice/circuit-s...

Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by Buge on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:32AM (#21394928)
Re:WhatsApp sues NSO Group for allegedly helping spies hack ... by onetimemanytime on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @10:09PM (#21394040)
Not a lawyer either but CFAA has been used for more than plain hacking. WhatsApp servers and infrastructure was used to hack WhatsApp users. Clearly they violated the spirit of the law, it's fraud at least.