XML is almost always misused

Re:XML is almost always misused by carapace on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @08:28PM (#21393520)

> Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1) is a standard interface description language for defining data structures that can be serialized and deserialized in a cross-platform way. It is broadly used in telecommunications and computer networking, and especially in cryptography.

> ASN.1 is a joint standard of the International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) and ISO/IEC, originally defined in 1984...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Syntax_Notation_One

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Re:XML is almost always misused by RantyDave on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @08:50PM (#21393636)

I think ASN.1 was designed for a world with (a) waterfall development and (b) static deployments - ie no over the air updates. Under the circumstances, messing up is simply not an option - hence defining the standard so clearly and for so many use cases.

Today, of course, we treat the entirety of our deployed infrastructure as 'merely' a platform to write code. And not only are experimentation and failure OK, they're positively encouraged. Velocity became important.

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Re:XML is almost always misused by dfox on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:20PM (#21393774)

You can meaningfully decode any DER encoded ASN.1 structure and serialize it back without any knowledge of the schema. Somewhat surprisingly you cannot do that with all instances of XML documents.

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Re:XML is almost always misused by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:18PM (#21393767)

The first thing wrong is that you have to serialize and deserialize it. Operationally, that's inconvenient, and it shows that they're optimizing for network bandwidth. But these days, squeezing the most out of each bit is, in most cases, not a defensible design decision.

Then, once you deserialize it, it's still a printable version of ASN.1. Sure, it's unambiguous, rigidly defined, and standardized. It's still gouge-your-eyeballs-out horrible to try to do anything with.

Say you get an XML message over the wire with a bit flipped. If you look at it, you have a good chance to be able to figure out what went wrong, edit one character, and you can now process it. If you get an ASN.1 message in the same condition, it's pretty much game over (though there may be special tools that could save you).

Say you get an XML, and you don't know the schema. You look at it, and you can see what's going on. You get an ASN.1 where you don't know the schema, and you can be totally sunk. (If I recall correctly, in ASN.1, you can have schemas that are private, that is, not specified in the standard.)

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