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Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by AndrewDavis on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:29PM (#21392798)
No way to tell if it's listening though. It could be silent and still be processing every it can detect.

Who knows if there are secret commands that can be sent to it to override airplane mode settings, or instructions to do other nefarious things and broadcast once out of air plane.

Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by kawfey on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @11:31AM (#21398832)
Every radio has a signature that it's turned on by listening to its Local Oscillator. [0]

We weren't testing the presence of the LO, but instead characterizing the phone's radiated and conducted emissions from it's non-phone radio functions like its processors, displays, BMS, etc. There were discrete frequencies which were certainly from oscillators, but we didn't determine whether or not that was the receiver(s') LO(s) when airplane mode was on. There's probably a dozen other oscillators within phones for memory, CPU, displays, etc. So, you might be right, but this can be tested in the right lab.

However, that might be complicated with software defined receivers that don't have a typical receiver architecture, very low level signals, and very tiny PCB traces.

[0] http://scholarsmine.mst.edu/doctoral_dissertations/1996

Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by eurasiantiger on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:51PM (#21392953)
Why would they be listening to audio anyway when all phones have always-on speech recognition?
Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by angry_octet on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @03:47AM (#21395401)
He means listening to the radio. A phone might have special baseband firmware that, e.g., turns on for a minute every hour and listens for a particular coded sequence (such as the date, and a mask of serial numbers, encrypted to a key in firmware etc), which would then cause the phone to do a number of things, such as turn on the radio for rx, or tx the RSSI of nearby towers, etc. All without telling the main CPU.
Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by edoloughlin on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @10:37AM (#21398195)
Colour me dubious. If the phone is in airplane mode then the carrier doesn't know where it is. Are you suggesting they broadcast this information on all their cell towers? Or that they have a secret system to predict/guess where a dark handset might be so they can target it? Either sounds extremely unlikely.
Re:Mass cellphone surveillance experiment in Spain by angry_octet on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:05PM (#21399961)
Well, lots of the NSA kit seems extraordinary.

As to the practicalities, it wouldn't need to use the carrier network, just put it in a plane. Like the plane they have circling D.C. right now, or a drone. And your location is often known approximately.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/spies-in-t...

Someone should point a good signal analyser at these.