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Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by zamadatix on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:13PM (#21383714)
> Also, your link is biased because it is well documented that AMD performance significantly improves with faster RAM

This was more true in prior generations of AMD. Newer ones aren't as RAM dependent (largely due to increased L3 cache and a more efficient core interconnect topology). Of course any CPU will still perform some amount better with better RAM.

> and they used much faster RAM in the test only for AMD.

This is a bit of Intel's own fault. AMD officially supports 3200 MHz while Intel officially only supports 2666 MHz, anything higher is considered overclocking the memory controllers even though both are perfectly capable of going much higher than that. Also note the Intel has quad channel while the AMD has dual channel. Quad channel has higher bandwidth but is the same RAM is going to have to run at lower speeds that if it were dual channel.

> That RAM is very expensive so you need to factor that in the total cost if you wanted fo be fair when doing price comparison as well.

The link to the bench now shows "not found" so I don't know what the exact RAM used was but you can get 16 GB of well timed 3600 MHz RAM for $80 so whatever difference there is isn't coming close to affecting that $250 price gap.

Intel certainly does still have an edge on single thread performance but the interesting thing is it's an ever shrinking lead at an increasing cost

Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by ekianjo on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:21PM (#21383751)
One more thing about AMD vs Intel. i was recently shopping for professional workstations and there is almost no offering for AMD so whatever they are doing on the consumer market does not seem to impact the pro market much at all.
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by cma on Monday October 28, 2019 @11:37PM (#21384083)
Their consumer stuff allows ECC, hardware RAID, and now PCI 4.0.
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by ekianjo on Monday October 28, 2019 @11:47PM (#21384118)
Irrelevant if you cannot buy the hardware in entreprise setting.
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by judge2020 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:15AM (#21384213)
Is custom built not an option?
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by ekianjo on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:22AM (#21384424)
Nope. In entreprise you need to purchase thru predefined vendors.
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by Const-me on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:52AM (#21384529)
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by anticensor on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:03AM (#21385237)
You can do a specification-driven auction like goverment authorities do.
Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by saiya-jin on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:12AM (#21386697)
You post bunch of lies / outdated statements that are not true anymore (that are super easy to find and whole community have been raving about them for last few months, so your motivations look a bit shady to be polite), and when all of them are debunked you start claiming that your preferred corporate shops don't build PCs with AMD. What kind of argument for CPU performance is that?

Go buy whatever you can even if its subpar these days, nobody else cares, but currently most performance is with AMD. Power per dollar in high performance is purely with AMD.

Re:Intel: 10nm Product Era Has Begun, 7nm on Track by Const-me on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:22PM (#21390434)
I agree on performance, but I believe GP is correct on availability. Search for a threadripper-based workstation from HP, Dell, Lenovo — you won’t find any, they only offer models with Xeon and i9. Search for a fast AMD laptop — you can only get one if you order a custom-spec model using their configuration tools, they take quite some time to deliver.