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Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by xadhominemx on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:14AM (#21376621)
There’s a big difference between burying distribution lines and transmission lines. It’s transmission lines that have caused the most destructive fires in California and those are indeed too expensive to bury.
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by patentatt on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:39AM (#21376853)
Does anyone know if transmission lines can be buried? Some high voltage DC can be in the hundreds of kV, is there a limit to what can be buried in moist ground even remotely efficiently? You’d need a good amount of electrical insulation, but also thermal conductivity (I assume these lines heat up?). Any experts here?
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by Robotbeat on Monday October 28, 2019 @11:03AM (#21377586)
Absolutely they can be buried. They must be insulated, but that's not particularly expensive. There are thermal limits, as you mentioned, but that simply requires appropriate engineering.

It costs $1 million per mile (roughly) to bury transmission lines. PG&E has about 18,000 miles of transmission lines. That's about $18 billion to bury the lines. Sounds like a lot, but...

...the estimate price of these multi-day blackouts is on the order of $1 billion per blackout. Given multiple blackouts per year, and we're talking just a few years to pay back the price of burying the transmission lines. https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/A-cool-billion-...

Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by dehrmann on Monday October 28, 2019 @11:29AM (#21377819)
> the estimate price of these multi-day blackouts is on the order of $1 billion per blackout

But that's not the cost to PG&E. PG&E (or the state) would have to find a way to get some of that somewhat hidden opportunity cost.

Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by Robotbeat on Monday October 28, 2019 @12:26PM (#21378400)
The state already does that through regular, economy-wide taxes. (Maybe this is why it's a bad idea to grant a monopoly to a for-profit company like PG&E that doesn't take into account the externalities of power outages... Then again, Texas' very deregulated but non-monopoly ERCOT seems to do pretty well. So either state-owned OR deregulated may be optimums compared to PG&E...)
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by xadhominemx on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:08PM (#21381692)
$1m/mile is off by like a factor if 10. PG&E thinks it costs $3-5m/mile to bury _distribution_ lines: http://www.pgecurrents.com/2017/10/31/facts-about-undergroun...
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by Robotbeat on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @11:31AM (#21388272)
Good argument for burying PG&E, then, and starting over.
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by jchulce on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:02PM (#21382196)
It is physically impossible to have long distance underground high voltage AC transmission lines due to capacitance: http://www.puc.nh.gov/2008IceStorm/ST&E%20Presentations/NEI%... HVDC wouldn't have that issue, but there's not much experience with HVDC in North America.
Re:Private firefighters go to work for California's wealthy by snagglegaggle on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:15AM (#21377186)
The issue is more with burying AC as I'm aware, the ground takes energy out by interacting with the magnetic field. With DC there is only a static field and less parasitic loss and you can add enough insulation. There shouldn't be appreciable heat generation in either.

Consider the fact that we lay oceanic cables.