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Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by roenxi on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:04AM (#21376529)
Having watched quite a bit of parliamentary footage, the style of question that can be asked could reasonably include such curly ones as "Research suggests that Facebook harms the mental development of adolescents. Did you stop to think about the potential damage to teenage girls when you were crafting your extractive corporate empire?"

Now in theory someone asked that could answer without accidentally agreeing that their company is extractive/they are harming young girls/they are recklessly not considering the impacts of their work. Bonus points if they can answer without getting shouted down for not directly answering a yes/no question with a yes/no. Lose a point if the answer gets testy and they look like they are defensive or flustered.

They also have to do that while being completely honest, without getting tongue-tied and correctly assessing the question in a very short time frame.

Zuckerberg isn't a barrister, he didn't found an empire on the ability to think quickly under a barrage of questions and he may just not be an expert at it (most clever people aren't). He is far better off just looking a little wilted and evasive. People who try to be clever tend to end up looking worse.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by nicoburns on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:20AM (#21376679)
> Now in theory someone asked that could answer without accidentally agreeing that their company is extractive/they are harming young girls/they are recklessly not considering the impacts of their work.

The right answer to this question is to accept that the company is extracting / harming people. And admit that they didn't stop to think about that when they were building it. That's understandable - they had no idea the impact that facebook would have on society when they were building it.

You can then go on to have a productive collaborative discussion about what to do about it (which isn't obvious or easy). The environment is hostile because Zuckerberg isn't engaging in the process, and is stonewalling congress with "we have a process for this".

He's not being honest, and I suspect (and hope tbh) it will eventually be the downfall of his company.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by roenxi on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:48AM (#21376922)
> The right answer to this question is to accept that the company is extracting / harming people.

If the answer is predetermined and known it isn't a question. It is some sort of formal whipping and there is no point giving any answer.

From the peanut gallery it is plausible that Facebook is a net win or a net loss for adolescents and it is possible that the company has a staff psychologist who has actually thought about its impacts. That question is so hard to answer in the negative I seem to have 2 people answering in this comment chain as though the frame is obviously correct and Zuckerberg needs to answer yes then atone for his sins. Public hearings are not the place to engage with these sorts of questions (there might be consequences if he makes a mistake in his answers).

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by JohnJamesRambo on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:50AM (#21377486)
I haven’t seen any studies showing Facebook is a net win for anyone. But I search pubmed and see page after page showing it actively harms those that use it. A close analog is the literature for tobacco smoking.
Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by DuskStar on Monday October 28, 2019 @12:28PM (#21378430)
> The right answer to this question is to accept that the company is extracting / harming people. And admit that they didn't stop to think about that when they were building it. That's understandable - they had no idea the impact that facebook would have on society when they were building it.

The right answer to "have you stopped beating your wife?" is not "yes" if you don't actually beat your wife.

Similarly, the answer to "did you know the thing you were doing was evil?" is not "no" if the thing you did was not evil. Answering like that is conceding the point.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by nicoburns on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:16PM (#21392124)
If everyone knows you're in the wrong, then it's better to concede the point than stubbornly go on pretending like everything's ok. If you do the latter then it might help you in the short-term, but it's a great big red flag telling everyone that you can't be trusted.
Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by criddell on Monday October 28, 2019 @03:52PM (#21380891)
> Answering like that is conceding the point.

But they have conceded the point. I think that's why things like Cambridge Analytica were mentioned so many times during the hearing.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by DuskStar on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:22PM (#21381837)
There's a difference between "yes, Cambridge Analytica used our platform to do bad things and we facilitated that" and "our platform is fundamentally bad for you", though.
Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by nicoburns on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:17PM (#21392140)
But if you can't give a convincing answer to "What are you doing to prevent that happening again?", then everyone's going to make that conclusion anyway.
Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by setr on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:45AM (#21376903)
Admitting fault, and then retroactively be punished for it at the tune of X million "potentially harmed"? If this were a board meeting and it was simply to say what should be fixed, understood or analyzed going forward, then admission of failure is fine; but this is about meting out punishment, in which case you tell the cops nothing.

Anything you say can and will...

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by mattferderer on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:23AM (#21376705)
Is it just me or do yes/no questions that don't allow a response make the person asking the question look even worse than the person replying?

If the person doesn't answer the question, go ahead & berate them. Just don't expect a complicated question to be answered with a simple yes/no.

Likewise it's terrible to judge a politician based on their yes/no voting record without understanding why they voted for/against something.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by criddell on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:29AM (#21377304)
Most of the time it seems like a question is complicated only if you realize that what you are doing is wrong, but it makes you a lot of money so you don't want to change.

One example, Ocasio-Cortez asked: Can a politician lie about Election Day on a Facebook ad?

The answer is clearly yes. It isn't complicated.

Or this one: Does Facebook see a problem with its lack of fact-checking capabilities?

How can the answer to this be anything except yes?

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by mindblock on Monday October 28, 2019 @01:47PM (#21379501)
Why the hell would you want a private company to censor political advertisement? Are they required by law to do that? Why is censorship bad if enacted by the government but it is ok when a private corporation does it?

Imagine that Facebook is required by law to check every fact in every advert that is on their platform. Is that even possible? Would they have the resources to hire unbiased, critical-thinking people who are capable of doing htat? How expensive is that? Would they just rely on the cheaper option - algorithms.

A friend of mine got banned from Facebook for a month for sharing a meme, posted by somebody else, that had a swastika in it. The meme was of the sort "Nazis were horrible idiots". He appealed the ban, on the grounds that the original post was not taken down (he just shared it) and that this had nothing to do with nazi propaganda. It was, in fact, the opposite. An actual human being looked at that appeal and still confirmed the ban.

What makes you think the process will be any more efficient and rational with political advertising? Relying on companies to police content is absurd in every respect, from freedom of speech rights to just plain capability. There's an entire court system built up with the sole purpose of determining truth and even that isn't 100% accurate. Trust the same responsibility on a corporation?

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by criddell on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:07PM (#21379744)
All I'm saying is that Zuckerberg could have answered clearly and correctly with yes or no answers for some of the questions but he didn't.
Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by criddell on Monday October 28, 2019 @09:10AM (#21376588)
> without accidentally agreeing that their company is [...]

I'm saying maybe Zuckerberg should acknowledge the nature of his company. Then openly try to fix it.

Re:The Mark Zuckerberg Is a Lot Less Impressive Than the Mov... by randallsquared on Monday October 28, 2019 @10:09AM (#21377134)
The example question may have fallen too close to actual beliefs to be properly illustrative. If you mentally substitute something that you believe Facebook is not doing which would definitely be harmful, the "no short, truthful answer" result may be clearer.