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Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by pvaldes on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:18AM (#21375412)
> Quarantining infected people who have an incurable disease is not really that illogical

This. We choose to do things different in the past and hide the disease. In retrospective it was a terrible mistake IMHO.

The lets call it "human rights" way focused into preserving the rights of 10.000 or 100.000 people in the 80's. This proven to be a "genocide-level" idea for Africa (and other third world countries) that toke the lifes of 35 millions of people and helped to spread the disease from 100.000 to 75 millions. Currently there are 37 millions of people alive positive for the virus, and increasing.

We could instead to have choosed the, I will call it, "fascist way". Being ruthless about forcing the diagnostised carriers to be transparent about the condition. Having zero tolerance specially to the people caught infecting deliberately other people again and again. This would made the life more difficult for many innocent people, but the new cases would had stopped suddenly overnight. The VIH would have been solved in a decade saving millions of lives past and future.

The problem was that only the first way assured the future bussiness for the companies investing lots of money for developping the cure, so there was (more than probably) a strong marketing machine to teach us that any other option is taboo and evil.

Is a huge price that we had paid for the goodism. Maybe we should start refusing to keep paying it and do something. AIDS was a "once in life" event, a disease jumping between species by mistake in 1940, and there is not any logic reason to not point all our weapons into removing it from humans once and for good.

Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by scarmig on Monday October 28, 2019 @12:52PM (#21378712)
Among many other issues, the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV. What actually decreased HIV transmission rates was destigmatization; more people being tested; creating a cultural norm around condom use; and new treatment regimes and adherence strategies that decrease viral load to undetectability. All three of the latter have a core dependency on destigmatization, which your proposed policy would fail miserably at.
Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by pvaldes on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:22PM (#21379932)
> the world you fantasize about would result in far more cases of HIV.

I think that the opposite is infinitely more probable. Less new cases when people has the knowledge to take reasoned decisions. The right to african wifes to know that her husband has become a carrier should prevail over the right from those men to hide the disease and remain silent for convenience. African doctors should assure to inform the wife by default in their protocols, because this people have rights also, and the number of cases are all except "tiny".

Desestigmatisation is exactly the opposite to hiding the disease, that is what we really are doing (and is not working).

And I say that is not working because still there are thousands of new cases in the world each year with the difference that nobody cares yet. Young generations do not developped the danger sense about HIV that scarred older generations in 80's and 90's. Some of this adolescents are being caught in the most stupid way (And good luck telling some people that must buy and use a condom every time).

Being transparent and loyal to your partner and society about the condition is a first requisite for desestigmatisation.

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Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by pvaldes on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:39PM (#21382959)
> Not being a fucking fascist on the Internet blah blah blah...

I would prefer to speak as adults. Thanks.

By the way I never talked about camps, and to call fascist to other people in a discussion currently (instead to show real counter-arguments), is a really worn out strategy and a sign of laziness. Everybody does it (and it never solved anything).

Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by foldr on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @03:28AM (#21384853)
> I will call it, "fascist way".

> and to call fascist to other people in a discussion

Your words.

You should really have a long hard think about what you're saying. What you are proposing is utterly disgusting.

Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by rghertgdvs on Monday October 28, 2019 @12:32PM (#21378463)
> I will call it, "fascist way"

Yes, it is. Not only that, you're conflating "people caught infecting deliberately other people" with the totality of the HIV-positive population. That is a tiny, tiny group of people.

I can't believe this shit. It's not even worth arguing against it's so fucking depraved and immoral.

Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by pvaldes on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:17PM (#21379871)
> you're conflating "people caught infecting deliberately other people" with the totality of the HIV-positive population

Nope. I'm not saying that. Read my post again

Re:900 Children Test Positive for H.I.V. in Pakistani city o... by hdhajd on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:35PM (#21382497)
No shit you didn’t say it explicitly but you’re sure as hell conflating those ideas.