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Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by blotter_paper on Sunday October 27, 2019 @12:41PM (#21370782)
> As usual in these cases, there are no rules, there is no law, there are no inalienable rights.

When the government routinely steals from citizens ("civil forfeiture"), calls invading other countries "military police action" so that Congress doesn't have to approve wars, gives specifically black citizens syphillis without their knowledge or consent just to see what happens when you don't treat syphillis, gives citizens LSD without their knowledge or consent (Operation Midnight Climax), claims LSD has no medical applications, tries to blackmail MLK into suicide, routinely has huge globs of cash disappearing, does obvious false flag operations (2nd Gulf of Tonkin incident, if you can't believe the ones the government hasn't confirmed yet), ignores their own constitution (Snowden et al.), etc., is it any wonder that people don't care about your laws anymore? All of the above criminality was committed by the US government within the last century, some of it within the last decade. These laws were made up to begin with, and they're typically used/broken in ways that hurt the small rather than the large. I don't know if Exxon broke any of your precious laws by systematically covering up climate change since at least the early '80s, but I'd enjoy seeing this lawless monstrosity of a government chew them up for it anyway -- just as entertainment. If you want people to respect laws when dealing with big players, maybe you should try building a system that respects laws when dealing with small players. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by pipermerriam on Sunday October 27, 2019 @12:56PM (#21370883)
I agree with this sentiment. I've struggled to see a path towards real change that doesn't involve us all getting out our pitchforks.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by blotter_paper on Sunday October 27, 2019 @01:11PM (#21370966)
Proposal: ignore their broken system and try to do something else entirely at the edge of the frontier, where such things are (sometimes) allowed.

“In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.” --Buckminster Fuller

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by beerandt on Sunday October 27, 2019 @02:41PM (#21371599)
If we're still allowed to have pitchforks by then.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by blotter_paper on Sunday October 27, 2019 @03:00PM (#21371692)
Cue school pitchforking.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by cmendel on Sunday October 27, 2019 @02:07PM (#21371373)
Honestly? Maybe we need to call a constitutional convention.