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Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by ta0987 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:34AM (#21369323)
This lawsuit is like two lieutenants on a sinking ship getting in a fight over whose fault it is that they got torpedoed. One of the two may be right, but none the less it's pointless and unproductive. There are more important things to do.

Unless of course the ship is sinking really slowly and one of them might get elected governor before the whole thing goes down.

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by frankbreetz on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:39AM (#21369343)
In this case we could get huge sums of money to fix the sinking ship(climate change). So, I am not seeing how this analogy applies.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by anonuser123456 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:49AM (#21369659)
Exxon's current market cap is something like 300 billion. It is worth that much because of future claims it has on profits from the extraction, refinement and sale of oil. If Exxon makes enough to recoup that... you'll have another 50ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere.

So no. You won't have a huge sum of money to fix the sinking ship. You'll be bailing water from one compartment and throwing it into another.

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by mac01021 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:42AM (#21369350)
How much could we possibly get? Nothing proportional to the cost of a solution, certainly.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by ta0987 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:44AM (#21369360)
The reason the characters are lieutenants in my story is because this problem is bigger than them. You could take every penny the oil companies have and it would barely make a dent in the problem. This isn't a money problem it is a fundamental economic and industrial structure of society problem.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by calcifer on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:07AM (#21369465)
> You could take every penny the oil companies have and it would barely make a dent in the problem.

Citation needed. The top 10 oil companies [1] had a cumulative $2.5 trillion dollars in revenue in 2017. I'd say that'd go a long way in climate change R&D.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_oil_and_gas_co...

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by Aunche on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:40AM (#21369610)
Revenue, not profit. Oil is very low margin. Oil companies makes about 7 cents per gallon of gasoline. That's a lot less than the amount of money that is collected from gasoline taxes.

https://www.forbes.com/2011/05/10/oil-company-earnings.html#...

Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by onetimemanytime on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:37AM (#21369593)
Value would go to zero the minute you announce confiscation or whatever we call it. And revenue is different from money in the bank or assets.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by WillPostForFood on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:41AM (#21369620)
So, nationalize oil sales revenue to fight to raise money to climate change. See any problem there?
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by mehrdadn on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:37AM (#21369336)
I can imagine one difference with the lieutenants here is that nobody outside will ever know about said fight, given that the ship will sink.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by ta0987 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:42AM (#21369349)
In my analogy the intended implication was that getting people into life boats is more useful than fighting.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by mehrdadn on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:47AM (#21369375)
Okay, but the intended implication of my comment was that since this can actually send a message to others, it might actually cause others to be a bit more careful about how they proceed moving forward, which actually might very well help with help things moving forward.
Re:Massachusetts Sues Exxon over Climate Change, Accusing th... by chrisweekly on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:50AM (#21369663)
Ok, but one of the "lieutenants" in your analogy is telling passengers that the ship's not sinking, and interfering with attempts to warn other ships about enemy torpedos.