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Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by paganel on Saturday October 26, 2019 @09:26AM (#21363520)
The same thing happens in Europe, most of the eco-related additional costs are actually regressive taxes that will mostly fall on the less better off. There are not that many media outlets openly discussing this, and the few people who actually do talk about it are painted as “wanting to destroy the planet” or worse.
Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by makomk on Saturday October 26, 2019 @10:20AM (#21363810)
UK solar subsidies were particularly daft in this regard - because we're further north and have terrible weather, capacity factor is pretty awful compared to somewhere like California, plus solar is guaranteed to contribute a big fat zero to peak power demand (which is after sunset in winter). It basically just acted as a hand-out to wealthy home owners paid in part out of the power bills of the less well off. Somehow this didn't stop our nominally left-wing party attacking the government for ending it, though...
Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by NeedMoreTea on Saturday October 26, 2019 @10:25AM (#21363844)
...and yet it is particularly common in the UK for the home solar to be installed by a commercial provider (who don't get that subsidy, just feed-in tariffs), that provide the panels in exchange for the feed-in tariff from your roof. You get mostly free electric and sometimes some portion of feed-in tariff, they own the panels.

If it was that pointless, this sort of deal could never add up, for either party.

Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by makomk on Saturday October 26, 2019 @10:40AM (#21363936)
Feed-in tariffs are a subsidy - they pay out more than the actual market value of the electricity, and that money comes from the bills paid by other consumers. This is especially true of the ones on older UK solar installations, which are higher than the retail cost of the electricity. There might be some justification for arguing that the ones in other places with much greater reliance on air conditioning and a summertime peak in usage aren't, because they could act as a form of peak shaving, but that doesn't apply to the UK.

This didn't happen because the numbers added up. The government mandated it for political reasons and all parties had to go along.

Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by NeedMoreTea on Saturday October 26, 2019 @11:21AM (#21364177)
The sad thing is, the feed-in tariff subsidy would be less than UK's existing fossil fuel subsidies for homeowners. Yet solar is worth doing today in the UK, even with no subsidy if you project to stay in the house long enough to pay back capital cost.

With current solar pricing, it would be better for everyone if they simply moved a requirement for solar into the building regs. Like they've steadily done with insulation levels- though these are not yet adequate.

Re:Tesla’s new Solar Roof costs less than a new roof plus so... by makomk on Saturday October 26, 2019 @12:32PM (#21364620)
A large chunk of the UK's existing "fossil fuel subsidies" for homeowners consist of the government charging a lower 5% VAT rate on domestic electricity and heating, much of which of course comes from fossil fuels. Take that away and spend the money on feed-in-tariffs, and you're again transferrirng money from the less well off to the wealthy.