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Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by tmysl on Saturday October 26, 2019 @02:38AM (#21362110)
As nice as fish is, it's not fully posix compliant, leads to some weird bugs here and there
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by pushpop on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:56AM (#21362377)
Is it really a “bug” if you’re writing incompatible code for Fish? Bug implies unexpected behaviour but I’d argue that Fish’s non-POSIX behaviour is well discussed, documented, and thus should be completely expected.
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by rgoulter on Saturday October 26, 2019 @05:18AM (#21362670)
AFAIR the problems using fish tend to be when other programs (e.g. vim or whatever) try and interact with the shell and it's non-POSIX compliant.

The "expect it to work, didn't" is more on the user's side, going from e.g. bash to fish.

Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by pmarin on Saturday October 26, 2019 @05:42AM (#21362763)
I know it was just an example but on any Vi clone you can set the default shell:

   :set shell=/bin/bash
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by pmarin on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:14AM (#21362231)
For interactive shells do not matter if is not POSIX compliant. I use csh (the really old one) as interactive shell.
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by e12e on Saturday October 26, 2019 @06:14AM (#21362856)
Yes and no. One nice thing about shell, is that you can log your commands/look at your history - and easily automate tasks (turn an interactive session into a script).

The only trouble is, such snippets have a way of sneaking into documentation, ci pipelines and other places.

And then non-posix isn't quite as nice anymore. Even if csh or fish might be the nicer language.

I do think the oil shell project is on the right track, by trying to "fix" shell (and fish is a great source of inspiration for the interactive part).

Still, when plan9 didn't manage to take over, I guess I'm a bit sceptical about any new shell having much success...

Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by kbumsik on Saturday October 26, 2019 @07:48AM (#21363110)
It matters a lot when dealing with default environment variables. Even when expanding $PATH fish will give you much headache.
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by Symmetry on Saturday October 26, 2019 @10:45AM (#21363971)
I recommend leaving bash as your system shell and just telling your terminal emulators to start with fish.
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by akx on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:09AM (#21362213)
Those are probably bugs you could report to the project.
Re:Fish: A command line shell for the 90s by kick on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:25AM (#21362267)
They're intentional.

They have considered a compatibility layer in the past:

https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell/wiki/POSIX-compatib...