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Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by userbinator on Saturday October 26, 2019 @02:00AM (#21361993)
I figured out very early on Windows (this was the days of 3.x) that the Alt key could activate the menu and then let you browse the items with the cursor keys, and the underlined letters (which idiotically have been hidden by default more recently) work in combination with Alt to activate UI elements. I couldn't figure out how to do the equivalent in Mac OS. You had to inspect each menu first with the mouse (and hold down the mouse button while doing so), and hope that there was a keyboard shortcut assigned to the items you needed. It's possible to use Windows almost entirely without a mouse, although I've only had to do that to install mouse drivers or reload a glitched one. The same can't be said for Mac OS.

Some of the Finder keyboard shortcuts seem very counterintuitive; for example, the arrow keys move the selected item (same as in Windows), but although opening the selected item(s) is a very common task and one would expect that to be mapped to a very common key like Space or Enter like all the other file managers I've used, I believe one of those initiates a rename (a relatively uncommon operation) and the other does nothing, and the actual shortcut to open the selected item is Command+DownArrow or Command+O. I guess they make sense in their own way, but apparently I'm not the only one who finds this very unusual and confusing:

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/6727/why-does-the-...

https://superuser.com/questions/59007/enter-to-open-a-file-i...

https://superuser.com/questions/176450/open-file-shortcut-fo...

https://superuser.com/questions/134892/how-to-open-folder-wi...

https://superuser.com/questions/119871/how-do-you-open-a-fol...

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by gcarvalho on Saturday October 26, 2019 @04:23AM (#21362494)
You can press Command+Shift+? to open a search box for the menu items. Not the same thing, but I find it useful sometimes. I also believe you don't need to hold down the mouse button to inspect the menus.

In the end, I'd rate both (Windows nad macOS) as equally painful/unintuitive to use without a mouse.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by snowe2010 on Saturday October 26, 2019 @05:05PM (#21366183)
>(which idiotically have been hidden by default more recently)

I can still see the underlined letters. Are you on Windows 10?

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by Angostura on Saturday October 26, 2019 @05:21AM (#21362679)
CMD O for open, S for save P for print seem fairly intuitive to me.

For max fun though, hold down opt/alt while you have a menu displayed and watch the options change.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by userbinator on Saturday October 26, 2019 @02:57PM (#21365511)
CMD O for open, S for save P for print seem fairly intuitive to me.

The majority of Windows applications I've used also follow that (using Ctrl instead), because the unmodified keys will do something else (like inserting the pressed letter, in a word processor/text editor); the difference with Finder/Explorer is that browsing through the filesystem is the primary purpose, and arrows/Enter/Backspace to move selection/select/go back are far more convenient and easy to use than arrows/Cmd+O/Cmd+[.

I wonder if there is almost some sort of vi/emacs divide here.