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Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by trhway on Friday October 25, 2019 @06:44PM (#21359963)
$1B/year dividends plus stock buybacks - for example $200M/$400M/$800M/$800M in 2018/2017/2016/2015 https://ycharts.com/companies/PCG/stock_buyback
Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by testfoobar on Friday October 25, 2019 @06:54PM (#21360034)
You are assuming that a publicly run utility would have the same cost structure as a private corporation - so the dividends that the private entity paid out would be available for further investment.

If anything, I would expect a publicly run utility to be less efficient at capital allocation. All "excess" capital may get used up in the inefficiencies instead of investments.

Consider the challenges of city-wide transportation networks in providing service, maintaining infrastructure and investing for the future.

Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by DiogenesKynikos on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:06PM (#21360108)
Why do you expect a private monopoly to allocate capital more efficiently than a publicly run utility?
Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by testfoobar on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:12PM (#21360145)
A private company sends excess capital to shareholders. A public utility is likely to send "excess" capital into politically driven projects.

Alternatively, neither private nor publicly run capital is good at discounting the far future.

Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by trhway on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:49PM (#21360377)
>A private company sends excess capital to shareholders. A public utility is likely to send "excess" capital into politically driven projects.

Sending the capital to maintenance would be a politically driven project right now for public utility. For private company even right now it is still a conflict of interests between maintenance and shareholder interests.

Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by testfoobar on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:09PM (#21360492)
I'm not saying that a private utility is the best answer. I'm saying that a publicly run utility may not be any better.

Consider the following regarding NY, DC & SF subway systems:

"How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways Disruptions and delays have roiled the system this year. But the crisis was long in the making, fueled by a litany of errors, a Times investigation shows." 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

"Metro sank into crisis despite decades of warnings Metro’s failure-prone subway — once considered a transportation jewel — is mired in disrepair because the transit agency neglected to heed warnings that its aging equipment and poor safety culture would someday lead to chronic breakdowns and calamities." 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/met...

"Past decisions haunt BART as it seeks voter OK for $3.5 billion bond" https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Why-BART-s-futur...

Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by fzeroracer on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:54PM (#21365813)
That excess capital being sent to shareholders clearly isn't being reinvested into stopping fires and maintenance. Because then, you know, cutting power might not be necessary?

It's amazing we're debating the pros/cons of public vs private utilities while we have an example of an incredibly corrupt private utility that needs to be shutdown and with execs thrown in jail for gross negligence.

Re:PG&E may cut power to 850k California customers this week... by DiogenesKynikos on Saturday October 26, 2019 @02:54PM (#21365493)
Private monopolies like PG&E, which face little to no competition, are not typically known for their efficiency. Such an important public service which naturally tends towards monopoly should either be publicly owned, or it should be subject to extensive regulatory control.