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Re:Update on free software and telemetry by lolinder on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:52PM (#21341250)
To clarify your clarification, a quote from that issue:

> We are not adding Pendo or Snowplow JS snippets to self-hosted versions at this time. We are carefully considering the appropriate opt-out functionality for telemetry that will work best for our customers, and we will clearly communicate to those customers when any change is made.

In other words, it's not that self-hosted will not be affected, it's that self-hosted will not be affected yet. That's an important distinction.

Re:Update on free software and telemetry by Iv on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:16AM (#21342385)
Never trust private companies to not screw you out.

Small companies are generally more trustworthy, until they come to a position of dominance, where they are just there to squeeze.

Re:Update on free software and telemetry by pmoriarty on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:00PM (#21341285)
Also, why is it opt-out and not opt-in?
Re:Update on free software and telemetry by cpv on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:14AM (#21342382)
That's a trend going for years.

A lot of services, newsletters, promo, telemetry, are by default opt-out. When you install some chat app, it also syncs some data (e.g. contacts maybe?) and then you can go in the settings and opt-out for that sync..

Re:Update on free software and telemetry by Xelbair on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:38AM (#21342496)
because with opt-out they can first gather the data and keep it before you can opt-out.
Re:Update on free software and telemetry by umvi on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:10PM (#21346029)
I'm guessing because opt in doesn't generate enough useful results while opt out does.

Let's be real here, the difference between opt out and in is probably several orders of magnitude worth of data. It's like, would you rather have a Megabyte of telemetry to analyze or a Gigabyte?

Re:Update on free software and telemetry by joepie91_ on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:56PM (#21348547)
Except it does, if you have a sufficiently convincing reason for people to opt-in.

Since a few weeks, our hackerspace - which used to publish all door unlocks on IRC with the nickname of the person unlocking it, by default - requires opt-in for nicknames to be published.

People recognize that this is an important social function of the space, because it ties together the IRC channel and the physical space, and thus the vast majority(!) of members have explicitly opted in.

This whole narrative that "if you make it opt-in, not enough people would ever do it" always conveniently leaves out that that's only true for things where people don't want to opt in, ie. usually things that benefit the service but not the users.

Re:Update on free software and telemetry by umvi on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:05PM (#21349161)
Right, which is why GitLab in this case wants opt out since their reason for collecting telemetry isn't particularly compelling