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Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by isostatic on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:21PM (#21336170)
So much for the 4th amendment. It seems that most of america only cares about the second.
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by jascii on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:43PM (#21336390)
There are specific legal exemptions to the 4th amendment for the CBP, allowing them to do searches when crossing the border. The question here is if these exemptions apply, as the person in question was not crossing the border.
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by munk-a on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:42PM (#21338782)
Those exemptions (which existed as you describe them for quite a while) were widened after 9/11 to give them those same powers when interacting with anyone within 100 miles of the board.
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by jascii on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:34PM (#21349888)
Interesting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception).

Does anyone know if/how this applies to international airports(as is the case in this story) , and/or our coasts?

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by gnode on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:37PM (#21336336)
You don't get the 2nd amendment at the border either.
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by isostatic on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:52PM (#21336486)
If the 2nd ammendment didn't apply at "The Border" (aka the 100 mile wide 'constitution free zone'), then perhaps there wouldn't be such a zone

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_1200w/...

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by gnode on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:14PM (#21336697)
It's actually worse than this; this map neglects the zones around international airports.
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:26PM (#21336805)
IIRC they asked for those but they didn't get them because the other federal law enforcement gangs didn't want their turf encroached on. Did that change?
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by coldcode on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:43PM (#21336389)
I don't believe many of the things the border patrol does is actually intended in law. They like to claim it is, even bring out all sorts of papers, but in reality its stretching the whole idea so far it wraps around space-time. Border inspections were written in the constitution to support finding people who are avoiding duties and tariffs.
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Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by jessaustin on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:20PM (#21336748)
It's not as if NRA are supported by taxes. If they're spending enough defending 2A, that just leaves the rest of us to defend the rest of the Constitution. ACLU, EFF, etc. take donations...
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by DuskStar on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:18PM (#21337300)
I have to agree - the problem isn't "gun rights are being defended too enthusiastically", the problem is "all rights are insufficiently defended, but gun rights defenders are slightly less insufficient than other civil liberties groups".

But then so many people turn around and say that they're fine with rights they don't like being infringed...

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by 8note on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @03:00PM (#21337710)
how do you make money defending the 4th ammendment? the NRA is basically a gun advertising agency. They're there to sell guns and using the 2nd amendment to do it
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by snagglegaggle on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:07PM (#21337197)
What do you do when your 4th amendment is violated? If it is violated and no evidence of a crime turns up, you usually don't have a reason to sue (even though you have standing) and would rather save the time and money. If evidence of a crime does turn up, you're usually left holding the bag for your own defense because you may not be an attractive client to pro bono lawyers or the ACLU.

There are tons of people who have their rights violated every day and are given unjust sentences across the nation. The only remedy is probably the second amendment.

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by briandear on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:12PM (#21336676)
> I would say that most of America does not care for the vigorous defense of the second amendment

Citation needed.

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by tengbretson on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:41PM (#21336957)
> It attempts to defend it against any abridgment no matter how minor or what others cite as "reasonable".

That's what is so great about the second amendment. We don't have to argue over how much abridgment is acceptable because the amendment itself prescribes how much abridgment is acceptable.

"shall not be infringed."

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by isostatic on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:38PM (#21337486)
"shall not be violated"

How's that Militia going? Got any nuclear weapons?

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by GhettoMaestro on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:34PM (#21339780)
There are always restrictions to mitigate the extreme cases.

EG: You can't own fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986. What this restriction does is create an [artificial] floor price on any fully auto stuff to deter casual purchase - to the point a completely ghetto MAC-10 costs like $8K-9K, but because it was made before 1986 it is good to go. (To be clear, as a multi-gun owner, I think this is a fair compromise between no regulations and no guns.)

Another: Unauthorized possession of a nuclear weapon is banned by multiple laws, not just one, for example. Also if your desire to attempt to possess or possess said nuclear weapon was coupled with the intent to use it, well, that's another felony layered on.

Not trying to be overly-pedantic, but when people say "will not be infringed" I translate that to mean handguns, shotguns, and rifles (up to semi-automatic). Anything beyond those definitions start getting into what I will concede are legitimate "weapons of war" (machine guns, explosives, biological weapons) which merits restriction.

In the US, anything bigger than a 50 caliber round is classified as a "destructive device". Also included in that categories are grenade launchers, artillery shells, and I believe technically nuclear weapons. Interestingly enough flamethrowers are not classified as destructive devices.

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by DuskStar on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:46PM (#21340591)
> Not trying to be overly-pedantic, but when people say "will not be infringed" I translate that to mean handguns, shotguns, and rifles (up to semi-automatic). Anything beyond those definitions start getting into what I will concede are legitimate "weapons of war" (machine guns, explosives, biological weapons) which merits restriction.

I think you have a very skewed view of the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. "Weapons of war" is exactly the sort of thing it should be protecting. Ban handguns? Fine (under the amendment) - no one uses those in war (minus epsilon). I wouldn't be happy with it, since they're rather useful for self defence, but I could at least see it being justified. But short barreled shotguns? Submachine guns? Assault rifles? Anti-materiel rifles and RPGs? MANPADS, mortars and artillery? All those should be perfectly fine and dandy under the 2nd amendment, as evidenced by the privately owned warships and cannon around the beginning of the 19th century.

Yes, this means that it's been infringed a hell of a lot. Which is part of why gun rights groups fight so hard - give a little more ground, and there might not be any more to fall back to.

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by GhettoMaestro on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:32PM (#21349883)
Yeah I appreciate your comments, but I respectfully disagree.

I have tangible reasons why I believe that fully automatic weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, and nuclear weapons should NOT be legal for civilian ownership in most cases (am open to someone appealing or stating their case -- eg I'm a weapons creator and wish to create weapons for the state).

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by DuskStar on Friday October 25, 2019 @10:07AM (#21355073)
What tangible reasons are those?

As for why I think that the 2nd Amendment was intended to cover weapons of war - all the weapons of war - it was written following a successful revolution against an oppressive government, made possible by individuals already owning their own weapons. Oh, and Britain had tried to confiscate those, too. Yes, they wouldn't have anticipated the ABCs of strategic weaponry and perhaps those would be excluded, but almost anything below that has analogues in the 1700s. (And lumping automatic weapons in with atomic, biological and chemical weapons is kinda murder, arson and jaywalking IMO)

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by madengr on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:55PM (#21336512)
I’d say it is the other way around. The ACLU is an example:

https://reason.com/2019/04/12/the-aclu-defends-the-rights-of...

Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by DuskStar on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:16PM (#21337282)
Didn't the ACLU recently have a memo leak that suggested they wouldn't defend the free speech rights of people carrying guns?
Re:A U.S. Citizen Was Detained While Trying to Pay for a Gif... by tbyehl on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:39PM (#21338750)
ACLU will stop defending the right of assembly to people who intend to be armed, and their reasoning is... reasonable. They've been very active in supporting the other 1st, 4th, 14th amendment rights of gun owners and have given no indication that is changing.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20180621ACL...