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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by program_whiz on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:50AM (#21335183)
“the ultimate aim of government is not to rule, or restrain by fear, nor to exact obedience, but to free every man from fear that he may live in all possible security... In fact the true aim of government is liberty.” ― Baruch Spinoza
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:15PM (#21336095)
That makes no sense. Perfect liberty and perfect security are mutually exclusive.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by blotter_paper on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:11PM (#21336670)
I tend to agree with your sentiments, and my political comments are typically pretty anarchistic, but I don't think we should let language become a barrier to communication instead of a bridge. I can understand how some conceptions of "liberty" are increased by certain security measures. If you can safely have a picnic in the park, you have the liberty of safely picnicing. If the park is full of bandits who consistently take baskets from picnicers, you've lost the liberty of safe picnics even if the official government isn't the one who took that liberty from you.

Again, I'm not arguing for increased security, just for understanding the way others use language.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by unethical_ban on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:01PM (#21336578)
The freedom from worrying about hunger and basic needs and violence from others is security. It isn't referencing total physical security, it is referencing government vs. no government.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by Errancer on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:29PM (#21336241)
M8, Spinoza had some wild ontology to justify his claims