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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jessaustin on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:37AM (#21334459)
Forget the public, why don't elected officials themselves act more in simple self-interest? Not all of them are bankrolled by the military-industrial complex, yet not a one ever utters a peep about the trillions we spend on evil security-theater bullshit. No, killing lots of people in the Middle East does not make us safer, which anyone on any of the relevant Congressional committees could tell you. Most of them would be happy to spend those trillions on other priorities. None of them, with the partial exception of e.g. Rep. Gabbard, ever say a thing about this.

Why is that?

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by playeren on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:25AM (#21334930)
I would guess that people in general are fearful of reprecussions when the antagonists are 'better connected', 'higher ranked' or 'richer'. Often the scariest threats are those implied.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by fsagx on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:22PM (#21336175)
In a moment of accidental candor on Maddow's show, Senator Schumer lets you know who he thinks really runs DC...

"Let me tell you: You take on the intellegence community and they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbADuhhu7w

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by playeren on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:36PM (#21336322)
The possibility of a secret police state scares me more than any bombs or shootings ever could. It is absolutely an existential threat to freedom, because as part of its nature, it is able to quell dissent, and largely control the flow of information "in the name of freedom".

Hypothetically, of course.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by InvaderFizz on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:38AM (#21335722)
There are plenty that do. They end up making waves in the libertarian and conspiracy communities and are generally blacklisted by the mainstream press.

The two communities above are receptive to messages about government overreach and corruption, the general public seems not to care much.

I suspect this is largely because libertarians and conspiracy theorists (which do overlap to some extent) are already skeptical of government "goodness" and anything that feeds that skepticism is easily accepted. The general public places government on a higher moral plane of existence and any challenge to that is met with skepticism and excuses.

The end result is that those that speak out/expose the government are sidelined and punished through smears or government action. See: Attacks on Gabbard, Ron Paul, Snowden, Bill Binney, Assange, etc.

It always fascinated me that the discussion of the leaked Clinton emails conveniently focused on the speculative source and motivation, never on the content of the emails with valid DKIM signatures. There is literally no question that those emails are real and unaltered.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:09PM (#21336022)
> It always fascinated me that the discussion of the leaked Clinton emails conveniently focused on the speculative source and motivation, never on the content of the emails with valid DKIM signatures

Because there was nothing in them that painted Clinton in a bad light. They were normal boring emails that were sensationalized in conspiracy blogs but recognized as normal boring emails by professional journalists.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:07PM (#21337205)
There were multiple emails from journalists at supposedly neutral reputable outlets asking the campaign to check and edit their articles before publishing. Also in an email Donna Brazile of CNN agreed to forward the debate questions to the campaign before the debate.

If the act of leaking emails about media collusion is a "bad" thing that influenced the election in one way, so can the media collusion itself be a "bad" thing that influenced the election the other way.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:54PM (#21339447)
> There were multiple emails from journalists at supposedly neutral reputable outlets asking the campaign to check and edit their articles before publishing

Despite what the conspiracy bloggers would have you believe, this is standard fact checking. If the conspiracy bloggers did that, they wouldn't have anything to report.

> Also in an email Donna Brazile of CNN agreed to forward the debate questions to the campaign before the debate.

This was heavily covered mainstream news and resulted in CNN firing Brazile. Brazile also assisted the Sanders campaign as the Sanders campaign has admitted, but we don't have the Sanders campaign emails to see how much.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/3038...

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:05PM (#21339543)
Conservatives are not offered the opportunity to review or edit articles about them beforehand by these same outlets. The standard is to reach out for comment, not for permission or editorial review.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:46PM (#21339862)
> Conservatives are not offered the opportunity to review or edit articles about them beforehand by these same outlets.

Clinton's team was not offered the opportunity to edit or review the articles either. They were sent articles about the costs of policy proposals to respond with their own numbers. If you think this is out of the ordinary or that conservatives don't get the same consideration, what do you think " did not immediately respond to requests for comment" means at the end of news articles?

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:24PM (#21338592)
Was there ever any evidence that having the questions is actually dirty pool, or was that more an instance of "ask and ye shall receive, and nobody else asked?"
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @03:21PM (#21337908)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:25PM (#21338599)
I don't get it. What's the issue with this email?
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:38PM (#21338736)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:36PM (#21340541)
This email does not clarify the significance of either email.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:16PM (#21341069)
I think that's the point. The leaked emails were boring and normal except to conspiracy theorists.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:33PM (#21341434)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:40AM (#21341681)
That claim is easily refuted with a minute of Googling, just like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_...
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Thursday October 24, 2019 @07:45AM (#21343611)
Hah, the difference being some people still believe in conspiracy theories. Nobody believes in Pizzagate.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:09PM (#21346667)
The person posting Podesta emails in this thread believes in Pizzagate.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:11PM (#21348117)
That can't be. Nobody still believes in Pizzagate. That building didn't even have a basement.

Clearly they're part of a conspiracy to make us believe, against all possible odds, that anyone still believes in Pizzagate.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jessaustin on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:06PM (#21351480)
Yes they must feel like fools, believing that multiple national politicians would associate with an organized pedophilia ring, for instance even flying on a private plane that had been nicknamed "The Lolita Express".
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:47PM (#21351683)
I mean, they should probably feel like fools believing there was child sex trafficking going on in the basement of a building that has no basement, even if some other conspiracies turn out to be real. It's a textbook case of mob mentality that so many people believed the lies and nobody did even basic legwork.

(And let's note: it's not like 4chan broke open Epstein's crimes. Old fashioned FBI legwork did. And the guy had a history of sex trafficking already, which nobody in Pizzagate did. As fun as it is to pretend to be an armchair sleuth, it sure isn't a pass-time that's got a good batting average over professional investigation).

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jessaustin on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @10:24PM (#21394116)
Old fashioned FBI legwork...

You're wrong about... everything.

FBI washed their hands of this when the rest of DoJ did, in 2008. Two things caused national attention to return to Epstein: Alexander Acosta's nomination to Labor, and Julie K. Brown at the Miami Herald refusing to forget about Epstein's victims even after the rest of the media had. FBI had fuck-all to do with any of this; they don't like to investigate people who can afford to hire lawyers.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Friday October 25, 2019 @02:52AM (#21352554)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:31AM (#21354304)
And some are so sure of their worldview that they believe in a wholly-manufactured conspiracy theory long after the reasonable evidence has discredited it, including physical evidence like the fact a building has no basement. It's a big world with a wide variety of people.

Not jakeogh though. like I said, he's part of a conspiracy to make us believe people still believe Pizzagate. The purpose of which is to undermine confidence in average human reasoning skills, which undermines faith in democracy. This is important for the next step of the Triluminati's plan.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Friday October 25, 2019 @02:48PM (#21358003)
Pointing to a specific claim that was not made as if it was. Anyone can find something to point to that is false. It's an effective way to avoid specific things that were brought up.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Friday October 25, 2019 @04:36PM (#21359001)
Since you've brought up nothing but a couple of links to emails with the word "pizza" in them somewhere and a couple of links to your own posts in the past (without any context to explain why those posts are relevant to the topic), I think I've avoided nothing specific you've claimed because you've claimed nothing specific.

Does it even count as "JAQing off [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions]" if one party in the conversation doesn't even bother asking questions?

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Friday October 25, 2019 @06:05PM (#21359710)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by shadowgovt on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:36PM (#21360280)
My question stands unanswered and further communication in this topic is likely fruitless.

jakeogh, I wish I could say I wished you the best, but I'm not a fan of conspiracy theorists and I'm not a fan of this game you're playing trying to convince people that anyone still believes in Pizzagate. Reality is already complex enough as it is.

May the Triluminati treat you gently for doing their bidding, whether or not you know you are.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Friday October 25, 2019 @09:40PM (#21361050)
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jakeogh on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:06AM (#21343067)
With a few more seconds one could CTRL-F 1035-960.